Yorkvilles, Was Good Monitors = Good Mix

[malcolm123]

Not to steal your post Zallen,, but I have a question about the yorkvilles.

I used to own a pair before they were stolen and I loved them. Since I know them pretty well Im gonna get myslef another pair.
I had the regular YSM-1s and now they have a new pair with a facelift. They also have a powered version and I was thinking about maybe getting those.

My question is should I go with the pwoered version or should I get the faceleift version and a nice Amp. I wouldn't mind getting another amp because I could use it to drive my Hi Fi reference speakers.

So Watcha think.

But keep in mind mixing is my main goal.

Any suggestions welcomed.

thanks
Malcolm

 

[zallen25]

active

i would have to say from my experience.....most monitors are headed in the active direction which is by far better I think. A true active monitor will have seperate amps for each driver. This way there is a calibrated amp for each driver, and no combinations of different amps with your passive monitors. Active is the way to go! There are many more reason to go wiith active i would love to tell but im late for school hahaha later all


Surface area, alesis M1's are smaller 6" woofers or so
they dont produce enough bass alone........other words they dont compare to larger monitors

 

[malcolm123]

Re: active

i would have to say from my experience.....most monitors are headed in the active direction which is by far better I think. A true active monitor will have seperate amps for each driver. This way there is a calibrated amp for each driver, and no combinations of different amps with your passive monitors. Active is the way to go! There are many more reason to go wiith active i would love to tell but im late for school hahaha later all


Surface area, alesis M1's are smaller 6" woofers or so
they dont produce enough bass alone........other words they dont compare to larger monitors

Makes Sense,,,
Thanks Zallen

 

[malcolm123]

Re: active

i would have to say from my experience.....most monitors are headed in the active direction which is by far better I think. A true active monitor will have seperate amps for each driver. This way there is a calibrated amp for each driver, and no combinations of different amps with your passive monitors. Active is the way to go! There are many more reason to go wiith active i would love to tell but im late for school hahaha later all


Surface area, alesis M1's are smaller 6" woofers or so
they dont produce enough bass alone........other words they dont compare to larger monitors

One more thing Zallen,, ( If you have the answer )
How would the bass repsonse of the powered YSM-1s compare to the HR 824s in regards to accuracy? The 824s were a lot beefier than my old Ysm-1s,, whick is understandable,,, But I prefered the ysm1s over the 824s for mixing. The yorks had a pretty decent bass resopnse especially after my room treatments,, but what about a Sub with the powered ysm-1s?

If I could get close to that 824 bass response,, while mixing on the ysm-1s and a sub,,,, I would skip the Mackies all together.

Or are the powered versions pretty good if your room treatments are in place or decent ?

Thanks Again
Malcolm

 

[bleyrad]

I've never heard the unpowered version, but I own a pair of active YSM1p's, and they're wonderful.

I think it's amazing that you think they're better for mixing than the Mackie's. Everyone seems to praise the hell outa the Mackies. I've never heard them myself, but I can believe the YSM1's would beat them in everything but bass response.. The Yorkvilles are super smooth.

Yorkville makes a really nice-looking sub to go along with the YSM1's. It looks to have good crossover circuitry and a nice big box with lots of air... but once again, I've never heard it, so I can't comment on it. I do know that its frequency response still only claims to go down to 39Hz... same as the YSM1's by themselves... but I'd imagine it would still be smoother, flatter response, tighter, less THD, and free up the midrange drivers.

And about your question... I'd imagine that the YSM1's with a sub would give you BETTER bass response than the 824's alone. Hell, anything with a good sub would.

 

[zallen25]

Well dude this is when it comes down to adding what you hear from other people to what your ears and gut tell you. If you have the cash get both hehe, but if you're a college student living alone as i am, making an expensive investment such as this would have to be well thought out. I like seeing support and feedback in products that I buy. The products that get lots of media exposure from reviews, professionals, etc.....etc.... are probley getting lots of light for a damn good reason. Its crazy to hear the difference of how a good set of monitors can change your mixes.........I have only had mine for 3 days (at home) and when I print a quick master to hear what it sounds like on the different systems i have around my place, its just there........right on, practally sounding as the way i mixed it........ this is why im happy about my decision.

I remember somone posting a quick note saying that his mix of a project he had would distort the low end of the woofer of the mackie when raised up really loud. Well.......I have yet to hear anything i have had thats bassy do that to my speakers at high levels........maybe the speakers (with their accuracy) are telling you that you have too much bass in your mix?.......remember not everyone has a sub woofer in their home system, or car system, etc....... and if you mix with a sub you have to watch how much lows your adding since the sub will handel it....the systems without subs might not. Its a constant juggle. This thought reminds me of the NS-10 story and why they got their popularity.

boy i love this shit.........these forums are more addictive than video games

 

[zallen25]

yorks

Im looking at the spec sheet so what i say is purely off that k.........

you got 40Hz-to 20kHz with a +/- 3 db and that is with a 6.5" woofer
also......i think the crossover is a bit high.....2.5 kHz....that makes the woofer have to handle a larger range which off the top of my head doesn't seem really wonderful (somone help me out with that if they'd like).

HR824's is 39-20 with +/- 1.5 db, xover is at 1.8 kHz and a 8 3/4" woofer

Try looking at V8's from KRK.......i think they had a +/- 2db but they were something like 49-20kHz.........only problem with V8's was the recall of the power amps overheating.......these are the things i get to learn behind the senes .....I have had 3 pairs of them overheat plus one at my store.......man that sux. Great speaker.....bad amp design

I wish they had a graph that shows the responces

Of coarse numbers aren't all to go off of, but i beleive its a damn good reference and a good idea to check it out. I made a mistake of getting a pair of event 20/20's just cause they said 35Hz-20kHz at +/- 3db...that xover was at 2.6kHz too and boy those monitors freekin sucked.....with a port hole there in your cab you will get a weezing noise happening if you try pumping lots of lows.......this could happen to any cab with port holes........which is one reason i liked the HR824's design

 

[zallen25]

yes its me again i just can't sleep lol

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k going to sleep now........i promise

 

[bleyrad]

Re: yorks

also......i think the crossover is a bit high.....2.5 kHz....that makes the woofer have to handle a larger range which off the top of my head doesn't seem really wonderful (somone help me out with that if they'd like).

The Yorkvilles have a 6.5" woofer, the Mackies an 8.5"

Naturally, the smaller Yorkville woofer can handle higher frequencies better than the Mackie woofer can, hence the higher crossover point. Quite frankly, I believe a 6.5" woofer is superior for this reason if you're not concerned about low-bass response. Many people prefer the Mackie 624's (6.5" woofer) with a sub over the 824's with or without a sub, because the smaller woofer is smoother in the highend. In fact, the 624's crossover point is at 3Khz - that tells you something - that the woofer may better handle the mids a little better than the tweeter does.

 

[tubedude]

I can personally testify... the Mackies KILL, destroy if I may, DEMOLISH, the Yorkvilles in terms of clarity and stereo image and bass.
The Yorkvilles sounded good to me, too, until I heard better stuff. They still sound good, I guess, but not as good as I want them to.
The Mackies kill them, and I would much rather mix on the Mackies.
I prefer a titanium dome tweeter, anyway, and thats why I just scored the SUPERB deal I just scored.
More on that in a few days.

 

[malcolm123]

I can personally testify... the Mackies KILL, destroy if I may, DEMOLISH, the Yorkvilles in terms of clarity and stereo image and bass.
The Yorkvilles sounded good to me, too, until I heard better stuff. They still sound good, I guess, but not as good as I want them to.
The Mackies kill them, and I would much rather mix on the Mackies.
I prefer a titanium dome tweeter, anyway, and thats why I just scored the SUPERB deal I just scored.
More on that in a few days.

I feel Ya,
The Mack's will do their thing. I once owned a pair and I used them mostly for mastering other peoples stuff. I guess I never really mixed on them because I knew my york's so well. I plan on getting both pair actually, but I was thinking,, if I could just get that bass response that the Macks gave me from a pair of York's and a sub.. I would save some $$$ for the meantime.

It looks like I may just jump back on the Mackie's first. Mainly because I know what they will do. Plus ,, I have never mixed with a sub and I dont feel like dealing with more learning curves. I will also be in a new environment,, better,,, but new... so that already one curve to deal with.

Malcolm

 

[ambi]

The Mackies are more than 3 times as much as the Yorkvilles. Not worth it to me, but if i had tons of money to blow i'd buy the Mackies. I'd rather buy the yorkvilles, a baby blue bottle, an RNP and an RNC, than just a set of Mackies.

 

[zallen25]

pace yourself dude........dont buy stuff just cause its in your price range.....get what YOU want not what your WALLET wants.......save up, and get what you know is going to be the right thing for you. Don't cheat yourself

 

[ambi]

That is a good point, but only valid in certain price ranges. I'm sure genelecs are what i want, but not worth the extra money by a long shot. If i had TONS of money and it wasn't an issue of course i'd buy them. But even if you only have a moderatly large ammount of money, chances are there is other stuff you need as well. Maybe pay for food, cars, family, living expenses, or even maybe microphones and other gear?

I just don't think the difference between the Yorkvilles and the Mackies is worth it unless you really can afford to pay 3 times as much and still be able to buy whatever else you want without worrying about money.

And i believe your statement is completely true about many products, but the Yorkvilles are excellent monitors and a great price. Not great for the money, a great price for a great product. The mackies are a great product, but not such a great price. I mean if it was a 300 dollar difference between a Behringer or a Mackie or Soundcraft i'd be behind you 100 %. But the difference between the yorkvilles and mackies is a lot bigger. And if you get to know either set of monitors you'll be able to make great mixes. It's not like with mixing boards where the preamps/quality is much better/worse and will affect your recordings and your mixes over all. Of course mixing with proper monitors would make a huge difference but with the monitors they will both work great.

Anyways yea if i had the money i'd go for Mackies, but i wouldn't hesitate to buy the Yorkvilles, even if i had enough for the mackies..

 

[Gunther]

I totally agree with Ambi. If I take my time, save up and only buy the best gear out there my studio would be ready for work maybe in year 2015.

I ordered a set of Yorkville’s yesterday... I want better, sure, but I have to compromise and use my money to the best effect. No use having a $1500 set of monitors if you don’t have anything to plug them into, right?

On the other hand, if you know you need something good, and the difference is huge (like a mid level keyboard vs a motif or something) it probably pays to save… I suppose the key is to know what’s important to you and to make the right compromises.

 

[zallen25]

im poor too : (

Im not rich or anything.........im poor too, im living alone paying my living expenses, truck, and college. It only takes a little patients and determination to save money. You should be able to get a pair of new 824's for around 1100.00 if you're good at grinding. The hardest thing i had to shoot for lately was my new mac.........all that came out to 7 grand hahaha glad thats over, and of coarse the prices droped since i bought it.........here ill give you a sample picture of what im working with so far.......take in account that the 20/20's in the picture are now HR-824's

 

[ebeam]

7 grand for a mac......holy moley...

Oh, and just so I have something to really contribute....

I too have the Yorkville YSM-1s. At first I was really impressed by them in terms of the detail I was hearing in the midrange, etc. But now that I've had them for a year and a half or so, I've started to see some of their limitations. My biggest problem has been judging bass response. I'm constantly guessing and checking on other systems until I get it right. It doesn't help that I've changed my monitoring environment 4 times since I got them. I'm working on some room treatment now to help with bass response as well. I still think they have a nice stereo image and good detail. They tend to be a little 'dry' sounding though, which makes you want to add too much verb.

As far as the whole 'buy cheap, buy twice' philosophy goes, I can see both sides. I've certainly bought my fair share of cheap gear (Behringer pres, comps, Alesis mixer, Samson mics, etc.) and I'm definitely losing some money in the process of upgrading, but I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. Let me clarify.....After spending a couple years recording with bottom feeder gear, I've learned to make the best of it. Now, as I've starting to slowly acquire better gear, I can really hear the difference and I know what I like and don't like about how things sound. I think I'm making much better gear decisions now than I ever would have made if I hadn't used crappy gear. Also I think if I'd started out with top notch gear in the first place I'd probably not be as good of an engineer as I am now.....which isn't all that great

 

[zallen25]

updated

This is what im working with as of now......i think these monitors are just a bit better lol.

Happy Valentines Day folks

 

[JFogarty]

OT:
dual monitors (computer ) are really awesome with PT...

 

[zallen25]

haha well i have to use something for reason until digi makes a audio driver for OS X for the 001