Yam AW16 VS Yam 2816 - the 1k differences

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OK folks: No more arguments. Here is what the Green Hornet got from Yamaha.

I just knew that a 1k price difference had to mean some basic differences between the two units.

I am quoting the E-mail I got from Yamaha. Nothing subjective.

"1. Automix and moving faders. The 2816 has a built in automix and the faders move so that you can always know what the levels are when you switch betwen mixing layers. You can automate the AW16 through a MIDI sequencer but the faders will not move.

2. A card slot. The card slot allows you to add an analog or digital card to the 2816. This would allow you to transfer and receive 8 tracks at a time from ADATS, Prom Tools, Tascam units, etc. Just get the right optional card and you can do this. The card slot can also be used for an optional effects card to add more effects than what it comes with. The AW16G has no card slot.

3. Omni Outs. The 2816 has 4 Omni outputs which could be used for external effects, monitors, sends to a headphone box, etc. The AW16G has hno Omni Outs.

4. A larger LCD screen.

5. A digital coaxial output instead of two channel optical. Two channel optical (the AW16G) is typically used on CONSUMER LEVEL GEAR while the Digital Coaxial (2816) is more typical of PRO AUDIO GEAR.

6. tHE 2816 CAN RECORD AT 24 Bit. The AW16G, although it does have 24 bit converters, records at 16 bit.

The 2816 is a better unit and, in my opinion, defintely worth the extra 1000 dollars. However, if you don't need any of the extra features that the 2816 has, then the AW16 would still work just fine. The QUESTION IS whether or not you need the extra features that the 2816 has." [end of direct quote from Yamaha]

There it is folks. I wish I had written to Yamaha 22 posts prior to the excerbation of the thread with, "who was it?" Orbeger!

Green Hornet:cool: :cool: :cool: :D :D :D :p :p :p
 
We wish you had done that too. :) Of course, the information you now have agrees with the information posted in the last thread by me and Cratinus, but which you claimed was incorrect. You for example claimed that there had to be differences in filters and effects. Apparently not.

That last thread got very long. It did that because your hallucinatory brain somehow dreamed up that I had dissed the AW2816, or said that the differences wasn't worth it or something like that. I didn't. I never did anything else than post a couple of the major differences. Nothing subjective.

If I would have posted something subjective, it would have been that for my personal needs, the $1000 difference would have well been worth it. I know from my current setup and my modus operandi, that I would find the AW16G limiting pretty quickly.

The list you got from Yamaha shows that the differences I claimed were there were in fact correct, and the differences you claimed were there (filters and effects) are not on the Yamaha list of differences.

So you attacked me, filled a whole thread with insults, only to now be shown that in fact, you were wrong and I was correct.

You owe me and the rest of this board an apology for your behaviour, but no doubt you will instead just respond to this with more insults. :)
 
Here is where I originally noted some of the differences and the link to the official specs/description. The link I gave was very basic, but the one at the AW4416 homepage is a better description and I missed seeing the Optical I/O's which is stuipid in my opinion, why not have used same digital I/O's as the other AW's? Maybe they were afraid of people syncing up a AW16G as a budget expander into 32 tracks... :eek:

http://www.home-recording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58119&highlight=aw16g

Anyhow, I think Green Machine might have gotten a little emotional over the fact that at first glance it looks like Yamaha came up with a cheaper and better machine making his obsolete at a way lesser cost. As are all the folks who are still emotional over the introduction of Pro-Tools HD 2 weeks after spending $20,000+ on Mix 24 setups.

Its time to quit spinning your wheels over this ones guys (I hope), get over it already. Shake hands and get back to being adults. Im pretty neutral since Im reading text from both of you. If you feel insulted somehow, maybe the retaliation method isn't the best. Where I work, the rule is if someone hits you, and you hit them back, your both fired. It better to take a beating with your mouth shut and hands tied behind your back (kinky). Now get back to Work! :p

SoMm
 
Ahh, Regebro:

You're still lost in a foen out there.

When you said you were going to "kick my ass," that was childish, crude, and kind of made me laugh.

You never posted any direct quotation from Yamaha.

I still have no confirmation that the DSP in the AW16 is 32 bit; Yamaha didn't mention that point; however, maybe it is.

Son of Mix:]

Quality information you send with no doubt. [Words of Yoda]

I still don't see any "persecution" in the threads; merely counter arguments due to a lack of authenticity, even though Reg may have been correct in some aspects.

As you said Son of Mix, time to get on to recording and recording and recording.

Buena suerte,
Green Hornet
 
As I expected, only more insults. This time with a whole set of lies to go with them. I have tried to shake hands on several occations, only to get more abuse as a response. I now give up on that.
 
Hey Regebro:

I wish good health to you and yours.

I wish no bad luck.

When you get your 2816, you can always cue me up for assistance.

Enjoy,
Green Hornet
 
Regebro,

As someone new to this forum and having read some of the discourse you've had with the "hornet", I'd just like to say that it sure didn't come across as insults to me, and even if it was an insult (or sarcasm), be the "bigger man" and move on so the new guys like myself can read more of the great info you guys have to offer (I glad you all don't agree all the time, that means I'm getting lots of different opinions, which I can then base mine on)

thanks, and happy recording!
 
p.s. My typo, "I glad you all don't agree" is just that, a typo, and does not warrant any professorial lectures about English usage or claims to have mastered Joyce, the only degree I have is in sarcasm and having fun making music! *wink* and a nod to Hornet ;-)
 
Yo 3DES [Doctor of English Studies?]

Seattle is a beautiful place. I spent some time there as a guest of the US Navy, @ pier 91. Stood beside the Nautilus, the first A-sub. I couldn't believe how small that vessel was.

Oh, I've moved on long time ago. So has Regebro. It was, to say the least, a spirited discussion filled with ratiocinative perspectives on both sides.

Green Hornet
PS Don't forget to set your parking brakes on Queen Anne Hill. :]
 
Well, 3des, thanks for the advice. But yes, to me it is insulting to accuse me of not knowing what I talk about, and just being full of air, and all the other stuff the GH threw at me.

It is extra insulting if somebody sais "you are wrong" and refuses to say in what way, because the is only not claiming I'm wrong, it is also insulting towards both mine, and everybody elses intelligence to refuse to explain or back up claims like that. If GH would have said "you are wrong on X, and X" then it would be possible to see who was wrong, him or me, but by you saying "you are wrong" and not saying how, it is nothing more than an insult.

However, this is now water under the bridge, since the GH approved Yamaha list of differences clearly showed that I hadn't been wrong in any of the differences I claimed. Everything I said was a difference, was indeed a difference. It now also seems like GH was pissed off, because he somehow thought that I said that the AW16G was just as good as the AW2816, which I of course never have been even close to saying.

GH still ows me an apology, since he can't admit that he was wrong. But this he has in common with many people.

So, I might give you a little advice in return. If a flamewar has been dead and gone for months, the please don't bring it up again. Mmmkay?
 
Hornet,

Nope, no English Studies, more like Dr. of Doolittle! ;-)

Thanks, and wheels to the curb in Queen Anne!

p.s. Born in Groton CT, the son of a 20 yr. Sonar tech, fished off the piers next to the subs and played little league for a team called the USS Trepang!

~3des (Dr. of encryption)


*ask if you'e interested in the 16G*
 
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Yo 3DES[tiny?]

Dr. of "encryption?" Hmmmmm? I once saw a dude on CNN or some channel who works for SUN [I think it was SUN or some big computer company] and when the interviewer asked the CEO of SUN what does this dude do at work? The CEO said, "Anything he wants to do!"

This dude was an encryption expert. Must be big bucks. Wish I were that talented.

:p

Regebro: What you don't understand is that you were the one who acted in a "pissed off" manner. I just presented the facts. You never offered any documentation of facts.

However, or whatever, if it is my error, I APOLOGIZE. Life is too short to stay pissed off -- it's bad for the creative process.

As I sip on my afternoon cocktail, I say, "Skoal." [excuse spelling if incorrect.] :]

Green Hornet
 
The Green Hornet said:
Regebro: What you don't understand is that you were the one who acted in a "pissed off" manner. I just presented the facts. You never offered any documentation of facts.
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Yes, I acted in a pissed off manner, because I was pissed off! :)

No, you did not just present the facts, you were very abusive and insulting.

I offered the exact documentation of facts as you did. I got my facts from Yamaha, and I said so. You got your facts from Yamaha, and said so. The facts where the same. So this has nothing to do with the facts, but with your insults.

However, or whatever, if it is my error, I APOLOGIZE. Life is too short to stay pissed off -- it's bad for the creative process.
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It's not much of an apology if you don't aceept that you were wrong, is it? :) I guess it will have to do, but it would really be best if you could try to understand what you did wrong.
 
Yo Regebro:

I think you need to rethink and re-read. You were the one who said you were going to kick my ass. Well, I doubt as if you could do that physically or mentally. That was, I think the catalyst which obfuscated reason on both sides.

I don't believe I ever used that type of attack rhetoric.

But, I'm sure I may have slipped into some negative metaphors. That's life and you may view it any way you choose.

By the way, your comments were never in quotation marks, and none of your information was explicite about the two units. But, you sure had words.

So, let's move on and see if assisting is more positive than resisting.
:) Green Hornet
 
No, *YOU* re-read it. I never said I was going to kick your ass. I said I was going to *whip* your ass, and I put lots of smilies in that message so that you would not think I was serious.

What I ment was that I was going to point out that you were completely wrong, which you were, and which you later confirmed with the data from Yamaha.

You claimed that I was incorrect, although in fact the only incorrect claimes were done by YOU.

You were repetetively abusive. If you took my post as an attack, then you obviously did not see the smilies I put into that post. In that case I apologize, and I will never ever joke with you again.

You were totally wrong and you were very rude and you are still incapable of admitting this. The situation between us will not improve until you realize that you were wrong, and can make an honest apology.
 
Yawn...:o

I was there for all of round one. I hope this isn't going to be a sequel.


Reg - a few words of unsolicited advice, which you are welcome to tell me to shove where the sun don't shine (note the effectiveness of not appearing too self-important):

This particular board is unregulated and unmoderated, and as such, is a wonderful example of an anarchic society based on mutual aid. However, there are some drawbacks to total freedom - such as the lack of an over-ruling authority to arbitrate disputes. However, there are plenty of other places to go that have such a structure, and you should feel welcome to search them out.

Meanwhile, in every such anarchic group, there will always be a subset of people who's agenda and motivations will not exactly duplicate your own. This is something you have to learn to deal with - there is no way to force your agenda, moral or otherwise, on every other member of the group.

In Hornet's case, i will presume to interpret, based on observation, that he finds a certain amusement in tweaking some of your personality traits – in particular your tendency to view the interactions on this board through a certain moral compass and your righteous indignation when you feel that certain "rules of engagement" are being violated. Is there a certain sadistic streak involved? Maybe or maybe not. Certainly an irreverent one.

The point is, you should have long ago recognized that the longer and harder you demanded that Hornet play by your rules (admit you wer right, he was wrong, you were wonderful, he was an asshole, etc.) the more fun he was going to have torturing and frustrating you.

Would the Dalai Lama treat you like that? Probably not. But guess what? Not everyone here is the Dalai Lama.

The trick is, when you eventually recognize that someone is just playing with you, the best strategy is just to either cut your losses and withdraw, or play them right back. Like: "Hey, Hornet! I now realize that BOTH models are actually badly engineered pieces of crap, and I'm converting my whole studio to recording on wax cylinders!"

The worst strategy is to doggedly continue on the same no-win path until you get an ulcer and the rest of us are bored to tears.

But then again, I'm probably just full of shit! (note how the pre-emptive self-deferential technique can also works wonders as a deflector...)

Survival on these boards requires a sense of humor and especially an ability to laugh at oneself.
 
You better be careful Littledog, you may end up being the moderator in the Minidisk Forum if you keep on breaking up fights. Or worse, you could be the moderator at the Alesis X2 forum.;)

I always laugh at myself, its contagious when everone else is laughing at you :eek:

Peace Yalls;)


SoMm
 
Hey Littledog:

Have you studied under Dr. Freud? :p

A nice polemic explaining certain types of motivation. I always enjoy reading your insights to recording, as well as many others on this site.

Man, back to wax cylinders? I didn't know you had a 2816 or 4416 or the "other 16 Yamaha.

I get tired of pushing the buttons around the 2816; it's tedious; however, for its price, the sound quality is much better than anything else I've used. But, I must say, I did some nice stuff on my old Tascam 488 which still seems to be hanging around out there.

As for Reg, I was never trying to tweak him; however, I do believe he really got off base or bass:p from a simple exchange of opinions, documentation, etc. As you said, I'm weary of the thread and would not want to foist more of it up you folks.

As I said in my last post, AMEN.

Yo Son of "da" Mixer:] I enjoy laughing too. It's good for the spirit. Y'all have a great Thanksgiving.

Green Hornet:D :D
 
THANKSGIVING ALREADY!!???!!?? man,.. where did October go?? i KNEW i shouldn't have eaten those mushrooms..
.......next thing you know you wake up under a tree and your beard is down to your ankles and some shepherd walks up and shakes you saying:

"Mr. Van Winkle,....wake up!!! wake up Mr. Van Winkle!!"

over-the-river-and-through-the-woods and all that......cheers!:D :D ;) :p
 
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