Word Clock master

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I currently use a Mac with samplecell and 442 I/O (has wordclock) and I want to dump sounds into my PC for mixing.....

Can I use the Opcode 64XTC as a wordclock Master as will as a MIDI patchbay? Any suggestion will be accepted.



Raticus

Thanks...
 
This must be a riduclous question.....

Thanks anyway....
 
Raticus said:
This must be a riduclous question.....
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Or merely "unclear".... as in - what does word clock have to do with being a midi patchbay???
 
Has nothing to do with it except

The unit I am asking about has Word Clock and has a MIDI ports....

So my question is....

Can the 64XTC be a cheap solution for Word clock and MIDI translation?


Thanks

Raticus
 
Just because a unit has word clock ports doesn't mean it necessarily SUPPLIES word clock to other units.... (it can simply be using it!)

Same for the midi ports...!


Let's try another way....

So what are you trying to do, exactly.....?
 
Well I need a Midi translator..


For communication between

Vison Pro, my Midi devices and Nuendo...

The one I currently have just has 1 midi input. I need an additional input so I can trigger Vision sequences with Nuendo
for dumping of tracks... I also would like to have SMPTE.....

So I saw a OPCODE 64XTC had what I need and all these other protocols it as well....



When making digital transfers I know you need to use word clock to get the most accurate digital transfers. I saw it also has Word clock.. Not sure if it sends and receives or just receives....


I am trying to get a cost effective way to attack this...


I mean if I had the money I would get the LUCID Genx... but I don't so I was seeing if this 64XTC could function as both....


Raticus
 
Well, if you're going to bother with external word clock at all, then you want to get a good one....

As far as I know, the Lucid Genx6 is the least expensive high-quality word clock generator out there right now......

So if I were you, I'd look at a straight-up midi patchbay (Midiman/M-Audio has 'em) and start saving for a good clock for later on............
 
Raticus said:
So 64XTC is crap?....
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I think if you're going to bother with external clocking, you go with something that is worthwhile, like the Lucid at the very least, so while the 64xtc may not be "crap" as such, it is definitely NOT as good as the Lucid, which is the least expensive high-quality unit out there right now....

So it doesn't make sense, in my book, to waste money on a half-assed unit........!
 
Raticus said:

Can I use the Opcode 64XTC as a wordclock Master as will as a MIDI patchbay? Any suggestion will be accepted.
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I think the simple answer is yes.

Though it may not be the best, it certainly will do the job your asking. Pretty much anything that generates MMC,MTC with a master clock output. If you were doing alot of analog to digital conversions, syncs and digital transfers Id have say the higher quality SRC would be worth it in the long run. Its a matter of telling everyone who is driving and who isnt.

SoMm
 
Blue thanks, If had the money I would get the two units....

But for now my budget only permits me to spend money for one unit under $100.....



Son of Mixerman thank you, that was the answer I was looking for... Although I know this wouldn't be the best setup but it is certainly better than no word clock at all.....

Thanks a million....

Raticus
 
Raticus said:
...that was the answer I was looking for...
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With all due respect and in the interest of not being rude, if you're looking for a specific answer then you shouldn't bother asking the question. You should just go ahead and do what you want to do anyway. Here Bluebear provided you what I (and may others with a bit more experience) would say was the most correct answer. But you weren't interested in that; you were more interested in having someone agree with you that a "lesser" choice was "o.k."

I'm not going to parade myself as one who has made all of the right choices, because I haven't. I, too, have gone the cheap route and regretted it. Fortunately, I wisened up about 2 years ago. The original Lucid Genx is at Bayview Pro Audio ( www.bayviewproaudio.com ) for $350. The Genx96 is at Bayview for ~$650. You're probably recording at 44.1kHz or 48kHz so the original Genx is right for you. I'd save up of find a way to get this piece if you're doing external word clock or do without.

Just my 2 cent
 
My bad. Even better that I thought. The Genx6 96 is $529 at Bayview!
 
Thanks Rev....

In reguards to doing what I want to do... I normally do but I wasn't sure if the device had a Word Clock output... This is why I posed the question... I am fully aware of good Word Clocks...

My only point is while I save up I can use the XTC word clock feature... You must admitt a cheap word clock will still show improve over no word clock! The XTC also will forfill my MIDI needs as welll.....

Thanks for the link...

Rat Diggy..
 
Raticus said:
You must admitt a cheap word clock will still show improve over no word clock!
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This is not so........

Digital signals such as S/PDIF, AES/EBU, and Lightpipe are self-clocking, so you don't need word clock directly... it's just that the self-clocking is more prone to jitter than using a dedicated clock.

A cheap word clock will be just as prone (if not more) to jitter as the self-clocking... so no, you're no better off with a cheap clock than without...
 
Blue Bear Sound said:

A cheap word clock will be just as prone (if not more) to jitter as the self-clocking... so no, you're no better off with a cheap clock than without...
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Where is that Jitteringjim when you need him...heh heh:p

Jitter happens, everyone has it, ya can't get around it. You might find what has the least amount or the most tolerable sounding jitter. They be coming in many flavors. Not all jitter is created equal. Enough of this jitter jatter! Awe man....the whole project is in the jitter now. Holy Jitter Batman!

Seriously though, if your really abitious about getting what you have to work, check all the devices you have as the WC master and see which gives you the best results. Even Uncle Bob Katz struggles with jitter with really high end converters and SRC's, use what you have until you can afford to move up, its not really a choice because your stuck. Depending on the quality of your overall system and bit/sample rate, etc, you may not even know the difference. The good thing about this whole thread is that your learning and through bebugging a less than optimum system you will have learned valuable lessons. I know Blue Bear has learned Tons O Stuff since he first synced his ADATS.


SoMm
 
Once again thank you Mr. Bear for your insight....


I am also aware of Jitter issues... But my point again is more a specfic question about the XTC.... You are giving me general theories about word clock which are probably accurate....

I guess the only way I will know is to try this setup..

Mixerman....

That is exactly what I am going to do until I can afford a premo Wordclock.....

Thanks gents much apprieciated...


Raticus
 
I just picked up a Studio 4....

Blue, Rev or anyone else please recommend me Word clock master and if possible the reasons why you have chose that unit over others...

I don't want to spend more than $500 new or used....

Thanks
Raticus
 
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