Windride (original)

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domvac said:
Very nice. I see what you mean about the acoustic guitar (from the other thread). There's a big difference between what you get and what I get. Mind you, I'm sure our set up and situatuion is quite different. I'm using a Tascam DP-02 8 track and a Behringer X1222 mixer with no filters or processing equipment available. I can hear the talent you have in both the playing and recording. I look forward to hearing more.
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Thank you for the compliments, really appreciated. I have settled on a combination of AKG P170 Condenser and AKG D7 Dynamic for recording guitar. Sometimes the mix between the two may change and sometimes the distance from the guitar but its generally about 40cm from the guitar, the dynamic pointed at the bridge and the condenser at the 12th fret. I have tried other combinations with various degrees of success but that's what I use now. When I can afford better quality mics (not that these are bad but they are affordable at around AUD$300 ea) then I might do a little better still. The best recordings I get are through a Focusrite Saphire PRO 40 and I add some compression and reverb to the track.

This is one of my much earlier recordings that I did with the distinct sound of piezo pickups of a classical guitar:
Six Ribbons

This is also an older recording that I originally did with a steel string guitar with piezo pups but the "sound" got to me so much that I replaced it with a mic version. This is my earliest effort with micing the acoustic:
Looking For An Echo
 
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Thanks for the education. I appreciate the difference. Very nice work,by the way. The mic produces a much nicer and warmer sound. Piezo is great for live or writing (as in my case) but for any recording that you want to spread around, better to try for the best you can get.
 
jamie_drum said:
Very nice track! Can't fault the mix. How did you do the drums? Live or samples?

If I had to be picky, I might have suggested varying the lead guitar tone a bit for the second half, to build interest. Maybe a bit more drive.
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Thank you for the feedback. I can possibly add drive to the lead. Will experiment with that. The drums are synthed but a lot of work went into them. Still, its easy to cut and paste a good section once you get it right. I liked the drum effect for this song. Thanks again :)
 
domvac said:
Thanks for the education. I appreciate the difference. Very nice work,by the way. The mic produces a much nicer and warmer sound. Piezo is great for live or writing (as in my case) but for any recording that you want to spread around, better to try for the best you can get.
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I heard a reputable guitarist yesterday playing live and had the distinct piezo sound. If you are not planted in front of the mic and have to move around a bit, then micing on stage might not be a great option but as I mentioned in another post, I am sure those highs can be tamed with a low-pass filter. I haven't tried it yet because I never use the piezos any more for recording. I have used it live for the difficulty in micing that I mentioned. However, I want to experiment with the clipon condenser mics that you can get for brass. I have one of those available that I might try for live sound. It can handle a trumpet up close so it should be possible to clip on to the sound hole as long as it stays out of the way of the picking hand. Perhaps even inside the guitar body?
 
I tried a mic inside the guitar body and it was really ugly. I got a lot of feedback and warbling (I don't know how else to describe it). I haven't played live for a while, except in church but I normally use my Strat, or an old Hagstrom Swede so the acoustic sits at home. Mind you, the mic experiment was a long time ago and you might have a better chance with it. I'd be interested to hear what you come up with.
 
domvac said:
I tried a mic inside the guitar body and it was really ugly. I got a lot of feedback and warbling (I don't know how else to describe it). I haven't played live for a while, except in church but I normally use my Strat, or an old Hagstrom Swede so the acoustic sits at home. Mind you, the mic experiment was a long time ago and you might have a better chance with it. I'd be interested to hear what you come up with.
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I was just thinking about putting it inside the guitar to get it away from the wildly flailing pick hand :D
A better place might be clipped to the soundhole with the mic just under the fretboard, in the area where some acoustics are cut away, if you get what I mean. I will play around with it and see what comes out in the wash
 
Incidentely, I have three mics. A Rode NT 1A, an old Shure SM 58 that I performed with for a long time thru the 80's and 90's, this poor thing has been dropped and banged yet still works, and an old Electovoice PL 76 that I can't get batteries for any more, but amazingly still works. I would like your opinion on which mic would be best for acoustic. Obviously, I'm going to experiment but I found the 58 produced the best capture when recording my electric guitars through my amp (Roland JC 120).
 
Funny, I just re-read my post and noticed that if I didn't put a space in Rode Nt 1A it would become RodeNT. I might give it the nick name "my rat mic".
 
domvac said:
Incidentely, I have three mics. A Rode NT 1A, an old Shure SM 58 that I performed with for a long time thru the 80's and 90's, this poor thing has been dropped and banged yet still works, and an old Electovoice PL 76 that I can't get batteries for any more, but amazingly still works. I would like your opinion on which mic would be best for acoustic. Obviously, I'm going to experiment but I found the 58 produced the best capture when recording my electric guitars through my amp (Roland JC 120).
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I have two SM58s but their frequency response suggests that they might not be the choice for acoustic guitars. They will work fine of course but they are not what I go to first. They are essentially the same as the SM57 which is often used on micing amps so I have no problem there. If you used my setup for a start and pointed the Rode at the 12th and the SM58 at the bridge, recording dry and adding effects, then play around with the setup. I know that other opinions may vary but the question was about my particular setup. I am willing to try other suggestions too just to see what comes out.

My mic collection is not exactly impressive but I know that will change as I get spare cash from time to time. I have an AKG Perception 420 for vocal recording, an AKG C519 clip-on, 2 SM58s, an SM57, 2 AKG D7s, an AKG Perception 170, an AKG D11 (bass mic), 2 Beyerdynamics in a box somewhere, a JTS NX8, a Redback (that was given to me) and some others I can't remember.

I seem to be supporting AKG but less than half my mics are AKG, although, they are the better half
 
domvac said:
Very nice. I see what you mean about the acoustic guitar (from the other thread). There's a big difference between what you get and what I get. Mind you, I'm sure our set up and situatuion is quite different. I'm using a Tascam DP-02 8 track and a Behringer X1222 mixer with no filters or processing equipment available. I can hear the talent you have in both the playing and recording. I look forward to hearing more.
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I'd just like to add a further comment with a recording reference, it depends on the style as well. Most of the recordings I made of myself involve finger picking style. This is a recording of an original by one of my former students. I was pleased that he asked me to record it. I used the same setup but he plays with a more aggressive style that I had not had an opportunity to explore so it comes out quite different. As an aside, I am playing the drums in this one, Yamaha Stage Custom, Sabian cymbals (excuse the bass drum mounted tambo). Vocal mic is AKG D7. Fender P Bass

The pick noise is rather prominent as the AKG P170 captures it easily.

 
I see what you mean. Still, it sounds good. I kept wanting to hear an electric guitar in there somewhere. I could hear parts that were begging to be played.
 
domvac said:
I see what you mean. Still, it sounds good. I kept wanting to hear an electric guitar in there somewhere. I could hear parts that were begging to be played.
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Yes I felt that myself but did not want to interfere with his creation. Believe me, it was nagging me but I let it go.

For reference purposes, this is the same setup on a song that I recorded on all 12-string acoustic guitars, including the solo. Bass is Fender P Bass

 
Nice interesting tones. Doesn't get boring like a lot of music like this can be. The drums sound off in the background a little to me, but not really sure where it's supposed to be in this type of music. cool shit :D
 
FoulPhil said:
Nice interesting tones. Doesn't get boring like a lot of music like this can be. The drums sound off in the background a little to me, but not really sure where it's supposed to be in this type of music. cool shit :D
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Lol. I moved the drums back just a touch with some verb on the comment that they sounded a little too far forward. Maybe I was right the first time but the drummer is grimacing now cos he doesn't want to move the set again :D
 
This is really good. I listened to it on my small pc speakers and it still sounded full and rich! Tune has a real relaxing and soothing vibe! Really good playing, recording and mixing. Gave me some ideas about how I can improve my own recordings, mixes, playing etc...
 
lolrecords said:
This is really good. I listened to it on my small pc speakers and it still sounded full and rich! Tune has a real relaxing and soothing vibe! Really good playing, recording and mixing. Gave me some ideas about how I can improve my own recordings, mixes, playing etc...
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Thank you for the kind words. Looking forward to hearing what you come up with :)
 
Perhaps this is the way the verb and chorus settings - do not know, if you want to balance it. In short, well done.
 
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