Win98 or XP????

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5150 Musician said:
Can't agree with you more on that one.

Why do you 98 loathers think that some big companies still use extremely out of date computers for their gigantic inventory networks? Because it's always WORKED for them. Upgrading is NOT the key, it's whatever works for you. Sure, those companies upgrading love it because people spend silly money for just a few more improvements; it's a marketing scheme and that's all there is to it. Let the modern attraction and advertisement of new Microsoft bullcrap spoon feed you. Baby's ARE usually happy and satisfied when they see that little plane coming down to landing. :p
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I'm not sure that any of us are "win98 Loathers", lol, it's just a fact that Win98 was a buggy OS for Microsoft.

And I've never worked at a company that kept out of date systems just because it worked. In most cases they had moved on to newer systems but keep the legacy systems around for historical purposes. I know in our case we made the production floor remove any 98 machines as they could not keep up with our new network.

Bottom line is, if you are a current Win98 user and you don't need to upgrade, good for you !

But if you are a new user, or planning a new DAW, why on earth would you use an outdated, buggy OS with no more patches or drivers released by manufactures ?

Just my 2 cents. Hope no one is insecure enough to give me a negative rep point for that.
 
Oh i so bet you get negative rep for that... I did, and what funny is I got the negative rep for the post about leaving my machine on to see if it crashed, LOL, I swear to god some people are touchy.
 
the only reason my xp home comp locked up was because i was running a dual monitor setup and used the generic monitor drivers instead of the ones made for the monitors which was a 5 second download from microsoft. in the middle of recording sessions or *coughporncough* it would give me the blue screen of death and say it was dumping physical memory. after i downloaded the actual drivers though...its smooth sailing. no crashes yet and its been 3 weeks
 
I used 98 just fine until both windows 2000 and my applications were to a point where I could benefit from switching. Now I am moving to XP because SX3 needs it. Personally I am not worried one bit. I can however accept the fact that there are many more reasons to use a newer operating system once it is fairly stable. Not the least of which is that i constantly upgrade both software and hardware. Every time I have made the change it has been a good experience with notable improvements.

I also agree that if you are just getting in, go with something that leaves you a little room for expansion.
 
I recorded with 98SE for 4 years because it was the only game in town. It was buggy, hard to manage, and crashed in new and inventive ways every week or so.I changed over to XP a year ago and my computer has NOT crashed once! Not only that, but I couldn't have upgraded to Adobe Audition 1.5 without the changeover. 98SE was better than Win 95, no doubt, but hardware and software have left it in the dust. You may think 98SE is the cat's appendix, and, if so, more power to ya. For myself I prefer to live in the present. 98SE is a stuffed Dodo at this point.
 
Your gonna get a bad rep saying good things about XP, lol
 
Win 98 vs. XP

It amazes me how many people there are who think Win 98 is crap. I've got a Compaq 750mhz with a SoundBlaster Live Platinum with the Live Drive that I use with Cakewalk Home Studio 8 (8-track), Calkwalk Guitar Tracks (16 track) and Guitar Tracks Pro Version 2 (32 track). I've also got a program from Magix called Music Studio Generation 5 (32 track, picked up on close out for 19 bucks a couple years back) in there and they all work great. The MSG5 is a pretty good little studio for learners as it is far easier to learn than any of the Cakewalk products. But, the Cakewalk products make great music and once you learn your way around them allow for incredible music production. And I think the Soundblaster Live card is as good if not better than a lot of high dollar recording cards that I have seen in use.
I have found that when I had problems with Win 98 SE (and this is the upgrade from Win 95) it is usually caused bu problems created by other software that I loaded. When the offending software was removed every thing was back to normal.
I also have a built by me custom XP machine. I built this primarily for gaming but have a second drive dedicated to music. I have Cakewalk Guitar Tracks Pro version 3 on here. Version 3 will only run on XP but I have had no issues with the system at all. XP is very stable.
I have 12 computers in the house (3 belong to the wife). One I keep Win 95 on for running older games and DOS stuff. An old IBM ThinkPad laptop with Win 3.1 on that has no sound capabilities that I carry around to write with. I am a lyricist and have used it for years. Its alot handier than paper. 2 Win 98 systems that were originaly NT work stations that I rebuilt and use for LAN games. And also a E-Machines XP system that I use to make CD's and CD covers and sleeves and whatnot. And of course the 2 I have already mentioned.
I've found that all the OS's work just fine if you do what you are supposed to do with them.
And I have found tha 99% of the time when there is a bug or a glitch it is not the OS but some other software that isn't quite compatable that is causing the problem.
So the real question isn't will 98 or XP be better, but what software are you going to use and will the system you have run it. Especially if you plan on using lots of tracks. If you are going to be doing any more than 8 tracks you will want at least a P3 at 700 to 1000ghz. If you plan on more than that you will want at least 1.5ghz and up. My custom XP is a P4 2ghz and it runs GT Pro like no tomorrow. But I seldom use more than 16 tracks and most of them are doubled to get a fatter sound and to use slightly different reverbs on each channel whien panning.
After all, just how many tracks does a 4 peice hard rock band need anyhow?
Rock and Roll, Jonny
 
2000 has just run the best on this system, P3 700, 640 pc133ram, 32mb Dimond Viper AGP) Old stuff, yes, usable, yes, did XP find everything, no. I kept getting expoorer erorrs, memory faults, icons moving for no reason, and just crap. I got my copy at a flea market for $50, XP Pro, REAL original disk, box, etc. But thats OK, everyone that I know that runs it calls me to fix it's fits, so I make money of the flake system.

2000 is as easy to set up for audio, the same core, no fluff. I like 2000, he likes 98, you like XP.....just use what ya got and make some MUSIC!
 
I would tell you to try and get a 2ghz or more processor, and then try to run 98.
 
d(-_-)b-Phones said:
I would tell you to try and get a 2ghz or more processor, and then try to run 98.
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Why? I have a P4 2.4 with a 10k Raptor, works great, accept it.
 
Look the issue does not concern us willis. The guy that asked the question is one at hand, you take things to personal to go as far as to bad rep someone for an opinion, I have no respect for you. and less in your opinions, accept it.

And I know your first reaction to this is to say "ditto" Really loud and make a this a " who has bigger balls fest " and kick a dent in my car door, but really man, just get over it, walk away.
 
If your recording environment is running under 98 and you are happy w/ everything you can do, then the “don’t f*** with it” argument is legit, I think. You’ll have to upgrade at some point, but not until you get nailed with an incompatibility issue. I have to think those in this camp are just not aware of the possibilities w/r/t to home recording SW, but I could be wrong.

Now, the original post mentioned Cubase, etc. for mixdowns. These programs are resource hogs in terms of CPU and memory and the way XP is designed to handle multi-tasking and memory management is infinitely superior to 98’s design which involves a lot of duct tape and baling wire. When I switched to XP two years ago, I was amazed at the performance improvement and what all I could do with applications running in parallel, not to mention all the annoying bugs that magically disappeared. Same computer, different OS.

Someone above mentioned that “I have drivers and software to do exactly what I want to do”. Yeah, I can barely remember those days when it felt good that everything was installed right and working under 98. Now I just assume everything will install and work instantly w/o me having to mess with it. It's a nice feeling.

PS: I'm not running SP2, which I hear can play hell with certain configs.
 
d(-_-)b-Phones said:
you take things to personal to go as far as to bad rep someone for an opinion, I have no respect for you. and less in your opinions, accept it.
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I didn't give you any bad rep points, I wouldn't know how if I wanted to, it's not something I watch.
 
I highly suggest no operating system or computer for that matter. Analog rules dawg!
 
I suggest a computer without an operating system...


Or Win 3.3...
 
I have XP Pro on my Dell P4 3.0 laptop running Tracktion, Magix 6.0 and Cubasis VST... love it! :D

I have Win2k on my P3 1.2 running Cakewalk, and some of the free editors out there... love it! :D

I have 98SE on an AMD 266 running my midi utilities and some stuff that XP and 2K won't run... love it! :D

Tried running Windows ME a few times and couldn't keep the system online for the life of me...

I heard Microsoft's next big operating system is going to combine the best elements of Windows CE, Windows ME, and Windows NT...

They'll just combine all the tag letters and call it: 'CEMENT' :rolleyes:
 
My old Spectrum is great for running Pro tools. It only takes 3 weeks to open up a plug in!
 
I recently contemplated this exact question recently. Was running 98SE on a pentium III 600mhz comp. Some folks said XP would add overhead and bog it down, etc. etc. Most others in the know said the performance would increase due to XPs better handling of the resources I did have.

Well, I upgraded to XP, and I can attest that the performance is noticably better. My Delta1010LT soundcard can now be used with the appropriate WDM/KS drivers, I'm getting better latency without crashing the cpu, etc, etc.

Also, Sonar 4 won't run on 98.

Sure, if it ain't broke don't fix it - but it's probably broke and you just don't know it.
 
It's about taste and need?

First off Microsoft sucks!! OS X on apple is way more stable, but it would be since it is based off unix? If they made audio software for linux then I would use it for recording. I hate xp because it is an attempt to mirror OS X and has too much extra crap. I have one system that has a Delta 1010 that runs on windows 2000 and it works just fine? I also have 450mhz pIII that has a maxi isis studio card (I've never had any problems with it) that runs on 98se. On this machine I use the same recording software (Cubase & Samplitude), but on windows 98se I'm able to use the free version of Pro Tools, which I often import projects from other programs to send off for mastering?

So it is a matter of taste anyway. If your system works and the software you need is supported by you OS, why change it?
 
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