Will a better preamp get me more volume?

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I'm using a Bluebird mic through an Icicle xlr/usb adapter into my computer. I'm recording acoustic guitar. I find if i turn the gain up all the way the bass starts clipping and gets distorted (no duh right?).

I guess my question is if i get a better preamp will i be able to record louder without clipping and distortion? Or is it the mic that clips?
 
No. A preamp won't help.

If you are not getting enough level at the moment, you need to check your signal path. You should get an adequate, distortion-free signal with the gear you have already.
 
The Bluebird itself should never clip in front of an acoustic guitar.

Yeah, a better preamp should give you more clean gain. My guess about these little devices is that the power supplies can't supply proper +48v phantom power across a USB connection.
 
you need to check your signal path. You should get an adequate, distortion-free signal with the gear you have already.

Since we are in the n00b forum, i'll try to not feel silly for asking this, but what is a signal path? Or does it refer to anything specifically?
 
The Bluebird itself should never clip in front of an acoustic guitar.

Yeah, a better preamp should give you more clean gain. My guess about these little devices is that the power supplies can't supply proper +48v phantom power across a USB connection.

Thats what i was thinking. Any chance its the cable? When i bought this stuff, i just got the cheapest 3ft cable in the store, thinking its only gonna go into the icicle and its all usb from there..
 
The signal path refers to the mic > cable > preamp/USB converter > USB cable > computer.

How are you placing the mic in front of the guitar??? Why do you have to turn the preamp all the way up??? Are you getting full-on clipping while recording??? I mean going over 0dB on your track.

The Bluebird is a really sensitive, low noise mic. You shouldn't have to dime that little preamp to get a good signal unless the mic is across the room.

"Cheapest 3' cable" is a good place to start.
 
I'm using a Bluebird mic through an Icicle xlr/usb adapter into my computer. I'm recording acoustic guitar. I find if i turn the gain up all the way the bass starts clipping and gets distorted (no duh right?).

I guess my question is if i get a better preamp will i be able to record louder without clipping and distortion? Or is it the mic that clips?

Yes by all means having a real preamp or interface will help your situation...you might be able to defeat this by moving the mic closer to the 12th fret so the guitar isnt too boomy
 
you could use a compressor as well my friend!!!!! Depending on your software.....some virtual compressors work quite well actually.


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http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm

and correct me if im wrong... but i dont really think that the cable is the cause of your gain problem.....

maybe its just me but i dont think that if you go out and but THE MOST AMAZING EXPENSIVE SUPER AWESOME CABLE thats made out of the same copper wire and plastic that every other cable is made out of its gonna give you awesome volume/gain abilities.
 
You can safely forget about pre-amps and fancy cable for the moment. As I mentioned earlier, there is no reason for you not to be able to get a reasonable sound with your existing set-up.

Others have made suggestions about mike placement. How far from the guitar do you set up your mike? Is your mike facing around the right way (this is a mistake I've made a number of times!)?

Have you got another cable you can try?

Are there default settings in your audio devices that are messing up things?
 
You can safely forget about pre-amps and fancy cable for the moment. As I mentioned earlier, there is no reason for you not to be able to get a reasonable sound with your existing set-up.

Others have made suggestions about mike placement. How far from the guitar do you set up your mike? Is your mike facing around the right way (this is a mistake I've made a number of times!)?

Have you got another cable you can try?

Are there default settings in your audio devices that are messing up things?

What he said..

There are some fundamental user problems here. I think there is a mix-up on recording levels and mix buss levels or mix monitoring levels.
 
The 48v thing *could* be a problem, in my experience. A new cable definitely won't help that. I have a couple of C414 condenser mics that sound thin, small, and crappy when I try to run them (either or both, but especially both) using phantom power off of my bus-powered firewire interface. I have other condensers that are just fine with the power from the interface, and I'm not familiar with the requirements of the blue bird.

*If* this is the problem (and I agree with the immediately prior posters that it's more likely related to placement or gain staging or something else), a sure-fire and inexpensive way to solve it is to get a dedicated inline phantom power supply that plugs into the wall and sits immediately behind the mic (um, and you will need to have a new cable, because you'll need two - one from the mic to the power supply, and one from the power supply to the Icicle or whatever else you're using). That's what I did for the C414s. Just a suggestion.

Definitely try the not-buying-anything approaches first. And if you have a cheap Chinese condenser mic (especially small diaphragm) and/or one that uses an electret biased capsule to try out with the Icicle, it's unlikely to have big power requirements, and so if it seems to work a lot better than the Bluebird, that may be an indicator that it's a phantom power problem.

Many nice preamps supply ample phantom power, too, but that alone isn't a good reason to get one - they cost a lot more, and a preamp alone won't replace the Icicle, since the Icicle's also performing analog to digital conversion and interfacing with your computer. You'd be shelling out major dough either for a pretty nice interface or a combination of components before you were done going down that route.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I think its a monitor problem, not a recording problem.

I was listening to the playback through my laptop speakers. When i use headphones, the sound is reasonably loud at 50% gain on my Icicle (100% recording & playback volume on the computer) with no clipping.

If i try to record at 100% gain and recording volume, it clips and distorts no matter what the playback volume is, but im guessing this is normal
 
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