Width of corner traps...(cont.)

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I posted this a few weeks back trying to find out if a wider bass trap of 4' across (2 panels wide) is better off than a 2' wide panel.
Ethan suggested just to test it, however my room is already treated and I don't want to tear out what was already done. But doing some research I came across this test done by a guy over at studiotips.com

Looking at his waterfall graphs he came up with this (both panels are 4" thick)
Empty corner
2' corner
4' corner

It appears the wider he makes it, the more nulls it gets in the 100-200Hz range. Even with 3, 2" panels the dips become more prominent.

Unless I'm totally misunderstanding these tests (which wouldn't be the first time)...I would think the more absorption in the corner, the more even the dips would have been smoothed out.
It isn't until he adds some air gaps or alternate material (R-31) in between does it start to look more like the 2' wide version.

Maybe it's just those tests are hard to reproduce when only testing a single trapped corner. Perhaps all four corners at 4' wide is going to yield much better results...compounding the treatment of the entire room (but of course I'm not debating treating one corner versus four)

Reason I'm asking all this is because, again, I'm planning on redoing the studio soon. I inherited this one from a former engineer who built wide corner traps. A couple of them as large as 6'. I'd love to reclaim some of the square footage of the room back by reducing the corner traps to 2' (and treating the walls of course) but not at the cost of worsening the acoustics. But might a 2' corner actually show an improvement....?!
I did the first room test today, and assuming I did it correctly...it came out like this:


Comments? Decay times seem to be far less than 300ms and there aren't any extreme peaks or nulls. I'm definitely not disappointed in the room as it is now, I just want to plan what I should do when the redesigning starts.
Hopefully I'll remember to document/photograph the entire process for everyone here. ;)
 
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Benny,

> It appears the wider he makes it, the more nulls it gets in the 100-200Hz range. <

Yes, and this is not surprising. See my explanation in the section Optimizing the Air Gap in my Acoustics FAQ:

http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html

I'm sure it's the same phenomenon, where "holes" appear in the absorption at some higher frequencies when using panels that are thin compared to the depth of the air gap.

--Ethan
 
benny,

I'm putting up the rest of the 703 that I bought-- which program did you use to generate those waterfall graphs? I see them around on here, but haven't seen the program mentioned.
 
Ethan Winer said:
Benny,

> It appears the wider he makes it, the more nulls it gets in the 100-200Hz range. <

Yes, and this is not surprising. See my explanation in the section Optimizing the Air Gap in my Acoustics FAQ:

http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html

I'm sure it's the same phenomenon, where "holes" appear in the absorption at some higher frequencies when using panels that are thin compared to the depth of the air gap.

--Ethan

Hmmm, that makes a lot more sense...thanks for that Ethan.
So I guess for trapping low bass frequencies, it's ideal to have just a 2' wide panel. Kind of splits the difference between having TOO much of an air gap and having the panel right up against the wall...?
However, filling the entire corner with fiberglass (removing the air gap) is still preferred? And this probably doesn't cause as much of a higher bass freq. problem since the thickness of the entire trap is larger...thus allowing more of the longer wave lengths to be absorbed (and more of a chance of catching it at it's highest peak)...is that correct?


Obi-Wan-

I used Room EQ Wizard. The other ones I've seen people use is ETF (I think that's what Ethan uses too)...but Room EQ is free. I'm not sure which ones is "better" or if people like Ethan have qualms about how the software measures, but I saw someone else recommend it and thought I'd try it out. It takes a bit of reading to figure how to use it for the first time though (and I found some of the directions a little confusing)...but here it is:
http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/

I'd like to do mine again soon to double check everything. I've been noticing my decay times (and overall volume at some of the frequencies) seem a little bit lower than a lot of people's. Not sure if that means I'm doing it wrong or if I just did it at a lower volume than most people (or with strange settings).
 
bennychico11 said:
However, filling the entire corner with fiberglass (removing the air gap) is still preferred?

Sure, and then bigger (wider) truly is better.

--Ethan
 
Ethan Winer said:
Sure, and then bigger (wider) truly is better.

--Ethan

so I guess I should just have a room filled with 703/705?!! Would make for an interesting session..and be kind of itchy.

;) just kidding
Thanks
 
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