Why wouldn't I want to close mic toms?

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hardly ever mic toms here (the music i record hardly needs it), but i'm going to try to keep this in mind. I can see where this could be a real handy bit to use.
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Hey.. Any body know where I kin git some little stuffed mice? (..for my mikes

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Duplicating the overheads to keep the toms and cymbals separate is nice!
Question on this topic: How do you separate? Are you using high pass to keep the cymbals and low pass to keep the toms? Are you manually editing the toms or the cymbals out (if so, how do you keep cymbal ring when you edit out the toms...not exactly sure how to phrase that, but you should know what I mean)?
 
Duplicating the overheads to keep the toms and cymbals separate is nice!
Question on this topic: How do you separate? Are you using high pass to keep the cymbals and low pass to keep the toms? Are you manually editing the toms or the cymbals out (if so, how do you keep cymbal ring when you edit out the toms...not exactly sure how to phrase that, but you should know what I mean)?

I don't separate the cymbals, just the toms. The cymbals are part of the overheads. For that matter, so are the toms, but I separate them to be able to control their volume, AKA turn them up. Also, usually the frequencies I often cut from my overheads are frequencies I want to keep on my toms. So, let's say I cut 3db at 150hz (just an example) off my overheads, I'll boost that same frequency by 3db on my tom track to even it out at 0db.

Also, as far as cymbal ring into the toms, that's almost never an issue. You usually hit a cymbal at the end of a roll, which is after you hit your toms, almost never before you hit the toms. So cymbal ring almost never gets in the way of a tom hit.

Like I said, depending on the type of music, in my case, I only hit my toms a few times a song (a roll going into the chorus, for example), so it's not that much work to cut out everything but the toms on a track because I'm not playing my toms all through the tune in most cases.
 
You don't play like I do. There's ALWAYS cymbal ring. Toms are pretty rare though. So clipping them out wouldn't be too much of a problem, especially with the +/- EQ. Thanks!!!

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to RAMI again :mad:
 
I use cymbals all the time. My hi-hat gets very little use with a stick. I tap it out with my left foot and smash away on the cymbals and snare with both hands most of the time.
It's usually just me on drums and another musician on the keyboard, so I've learned to make the sound fuller that way...Also from my roots in metal/heavy prog...
 
Ah, you're on of those guys that uses his crash cymbal as a ride/hat.

I hate those guys. :(


But I love ya anyway.....:)
 
I've gotten away from riding crash cymbals for the most part. I do it very sparingly these days. I just play my hats and ride cymbal better.
 
When I was last in a band, I was one if those guys with 9 cymbals (5 crash, 4 effects) and I was constantly doing something between a couple cymbals. I almost never rode a crash, but I would always be accenting something or doing some percusion thing between a couple cymbals.

Of course, if I had to, I could duplicate the overheads and use that to trigger tom samples in drumagog. No cymbal ring that way.
 
Ah, you're on of those guys that uses his crash cymbal as a ride/hat.

I hate those guys. :(


But I love ya anyway.....:)

I've gotten away from riding crash cymbals for the most part. I do it very sparingly these days. I just play my hats and ride cymbal better.

:p
I just started using my crashes as rides. Never occurred to me until these past couple of months the different sounds I could get.
heh heh.... I'm a little behind, I see.
 
I've gotten away from riding crash cymbals for the most part. I do it very sparingly these days. I just play my hats and ride cymbal better.

When I was last in a band, I was one if those guys with 9 cymbals (5 crash, 4 effects) and I was constantly doing something between a couple cymbals. I almost never rode a crash, but I would always be accenting something or doing some percusion thing between a couple cymbals.

Of course, if I had to, I could duplicate the overheads and use that to trigger tom samples in drumagog. No cymbal ring that way.

:p
I just started using my crashes as rides. Never occurred to me until these past couple of months the different sounds I could get.
heh heh.... I'm a little behind, I see.
I'm REALLY behind because it's not something I ever used to do then stopped. I just never did it. I find it noisy as hell, and I can get the same effect playing really open hi-hats. But it also comes down to the type of music one played for most of their life. I never played metal or punk, so it really never even crossed me mind as an option.
 
Listen to some dream theater, that's the kind of thing I was doing (attempting).

I used the hi hat a lot, but I had a couple splashes set above the one on my left and I would do patterns between the three, or between that hat and the one on the otherside and the ride.

It's more of a percussion thing than a straight back beat thing.
 
I very rarely ride my crashes, in my old band in the 20 songs we had I only did it for about 8 bars at the end of 1 song. Never really did it in any of my other bands.

The ride itself is super versatile.
 
Don't get me wrong. I use a lot of everything. I play the bells, mids and edges on a ride two crashes and a china while stomping the hats and for the most part, none of it's loud. I just get a lot of cymbal going and sometimes bell tree or tambourine hits..... It sounds good. I actually use less cymbal on the harder music because a fairly open hat on a half beat sounds awesome with the kick and snare there, but the slow worship stuff sounds nice with lots of cymbal and jazzy syncopated kick and stick. It's not thrash bash cymbal crash (although I used to in my younger years as a bass player). :D
 
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