why no protools forum on this bbs?

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I was debating between a Motu 828mkII and a Digidesign 002 rackmount, but in the end decided on the Motu. Why? Because it pissed me off that ProTools is the only major recorder/sequencer that I know of where they decided to make it work only with their own freaking hardware. Sonar? Works with pretty much everything. Cubase? Works with pretty much everything. Pick a lot of others. They work with pretty much everything. Protools? They give you the big ole F*** You and make you buy their own stuff.

That alone was reason enough for me to go to Motu.
 
I wouldnt argue against a PT forum, I would just argue against the silly line " PT is the industry standard " fed to impressionable people, either by digi's payroll, or people who dont know any better

I know a lot of people wouldnt believe this, but we acrtually used to make records even before there were computers in the studio! No really. They used to have these things called tape recorders. A band of magnetically pliable tape would travel around a set of reels, and the heads would imprint charges analogous to the sounds onto them.

I'd like to see the AES number given to the PT standard.

If it is a standard, then where is the paper on open throughput so that I may build devices to interface/bypass/enhance it?

Even its plugin formats RTAS and TDM are not standards as they are not useable in anything else, nor is the format open.

You COULD say that VST, DX and possibly AU are standards. They operate cross platform, cross manufacturer, and most importantly cross application.

what makes this a standard? Number of installations? Im sorry but then I guess windowssound recorder and windows media player must be the industry standards then

Compatiability? Cubendo has it beat there

Sound? We dont even need to go there

Hardware compatibility? Do we need to dredge up all the screaming and yelling apogee users make every time the PT hardware changes?

PT does a lot of things well, so does N-Tracks, so does RADAR

none of them are standards
 
fenix said:
not true. You can use any converter that has an ADAT optical out.
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Last time I checked you needed at least one of their interface devices to use anyone else's converters. Maybe its changed lately.
 
Digidesign is going to be releasing a new product line aimed at the novice recording engineer: NOOB-TOOLS

:)
 
"Digidesign is going to be releasing a new product line aimed at the novice recording engineer: NOOB-TOOLS"

they did that long ago, it was called Pro-Tools
 
heres my position on this subject.
rapid technology change has put a very good radio quality CD press quality studio in the hands of anyone these days.
without going the proprietary pro tools route.
for about 3k you can have a great excellent sounding studio.
5k if you want fancy and are lazy shopping for deals.
as ive said many times. an amd athlon. and i agree with bulls hit a delta 1010 lt sound card for multiple inputs, a few nice mics, a yamah mg mixer
(agree with bh again), a couple of decent mic pre's for lead up front tracks.
and the software i use. which i wont repeat again. and a pair of yorkville monitors. in my estimation you could spend another 100k over this
3k budget, and the law of diminishing returns comes into play.
from what ive seen of guys whove laid down the whole enchilada 103k for example they got maybe at best 5 per cent better quality.
because people forget to factor all the other variables in like source material.
and its own self noise as well as the noise level of even the best of microphones.
one crazy thing i like to do over the years is record a spoken track with top flight equipment. then do the same track with a radio shack mixer i modified the electronics of. and another track done with my home made diy preamps. and invite seasoned friends of my to do blind listening tests.
the results are laughable.
in conclusion - you dont need to spend a ton of money to get good results
these days.
 
"because people forget to factor all the other variables in like source material"

:)

theres the BIGGEST stumbling block

now people can get online guitar lessons FREE

tab to anything FREE

download any song FREE

yet they suck
 
pipelineaudio said:
hell theres guys who will debate to the end of days whether Studer vs Ampex vs MCI vs 3M for their favorite two inch machine

two inch is a standard, but not any one brand
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I have yet to see someone favor a MCI/Sony machine over a Studer. Maybe another fine brand (at times) in its' day, but to debate a quality diff...? I don't think so. Besides...it's the Otari's that kick butt!! ha!!

...I'd also venture that Ampex lead the way in the beginning, but couldn't hold onto its' lead.

The top studios always had a pair of 800's... NOT a couple of MCI...unless they had an old black face board to match!
 
on crack man!

I had people constantly scaring the shit out of me to use the Master Muncher Ampex's ALL the time rather than the Studer 827's

That hunk of crap would snap your tape if you hit stop from rewind or fast forward. You had to press opposite and wait for it to slow before it hit stop...people all knew these machines did this but insisted anyway.

I loved the 827, but I caught hell for it when the 800 was around.

people are weird
 
but protools has a lot of awesome tools such as beat detective, that as far as i know, there is no other equivalent. (if there is please let me know! i'm a dedicated SONAR user but i'm switching to protools for beat detective).
 
but protools has a lot of awesome tools such as beat detective, that as far as i know, there is no other equivalent. (if there is please let me know! i'm a dedicated SONAR user but i'm switching to protools for beat detective).
 
Acid Pro has the Beatmapper, which is pretty much the same thing.
 
aw man, beatmapper sucks. at least last time i used it, you have to tell it where the beats are by hand. beat detective does it automatically for you and then can separate and quantize it for you if you want a different feel. then you can also extract the drummers groove and apply it to something else later. kinda nice.
anyway...anyone else notice how old this thread was?? 2002??
 
i just can't wait until ptle 6.7 is out. BEAT DETECTIVE LE!!!

my two cents is that ptle will become even more popular than it already is when this happens. even on this board.
 
my very personal reason:

I dont want to have to buy someones Hardware if I just like the software and vice versa ...

also the "normal" solutions can get me 95-99% of the sound quality for 20-40% of their price with options to design my studio according to my necesities and not theirs...

me as consumer doesnt like to be manhandled :-/

b.r.
alfred
 
I don't know what the problems of some is, but Pro Tools IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. All the major studio's I visited worked on them, so as the majority of all other big studio's.

80 to 90% of the large studio's use Pro Tools. Learn to live with that.
 
its all marketing in my opinion.
weve done the same in the computer industry for years.
i dont like the pricing. i dont like the fact i'm tied in to a piece of hardware
that could go wrong. and there are better cheaper solutions that run with
lots of different soundcards. so your not stuck.
just because bigstudios run it means nothing to me.
just the other day i was reading about on another forum how
the macs "run out of grunt". on larger projects.
this is why smarter big studios are starting to go amd.
because the processors have power.
ive met a lot of big studio types who surprised me how little they knew.
sort of got me thinking maybe i should round up some programmers
and do a freeware program to find beats in tracks.
 
its not the standard for home recording studios though.

maybe if your running an SSL board.

Im seeing many major studios switch too. Thats like saying a Corvette is the standard car. If your trying to just get a bang for the buck reliable car you going to buy a corvette because its the industry standard?

Work on what you like working on. What your comfortable with. Then the standard doesnt mean shit.

Most of the major labels are also recording on Studer 24 track 2" tape machines. Does that mean everyone should be tracking on it.

Danny
 
darnold said:
its not the standard for home recording studios though.

maybe if your running an SSL board.

Im seeing many major studios switch too. Thats like saying a Corvette is the standard car. If your trying to just get a bang for the buck reliable car you going to buy a corvette because its the industry standard?

Work on what you like working on. What your comfortable with. Then the standard doesnt mean shit.

Most of the major labels are also recording on Studer 24 track 2" tape machines. Does that mean everyone should be tracking on it.

Danny
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I never argued everybody should use it, (but I do, and it is fucking great!)and it is idd certainly not the home recording standard.
 
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