why is the clinic so dead lately

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listen to the songs,

say what you feel, good or bad,

and then,as Al pacino would say,

"forget about it"

I think we tend to reply to what we like. I am guilty of this.
But its to the detriment of members of this bbs who need a set of objective ears.

I am changing today. If I listen to your song, I'll post a reply, good or bad. I hope everybody will do the same.
 
CyanJaguar,

I agree, getting a song into the clinic takes a lot of work, as we all know.

If you listen to a tune, give the guy a hand!
 
I'm still clawing my way up the learning curve - I've got a long way to go. Plus, I am a terrible singer - but don't have access/time to find a good vocalist. I record here and there - when the kids are outside or in bed......

Point being, I'd love to post my "WIP's" just to get feedback on the more obvious deficiencies so I can learn more quickly. If I've done a rough draft of a track, is it acceptable to post it here? Or is it just wasting everyone's time? Also, is there anywhere I can post MP3's other than MP3.com, garageband.com, etc where you're exposing yourself to the world?

As for feedback, I like telling people that I like their stuff (and why) if I indeed do like their stuff. But I do not feel I have earned the right to seriously critique anyone since I haven't posted anything myself.
 
Well, I'm trying to work up enough karma by posting my thoughts on songs so that someone actually does the same for me :)

I can't believe how anxious I am to hear opinions....
 
I know where you're coming from - don't piss all over someone's song because what goes around comes around.....

I think the key is to be prepared if someone writes "I think you suck - go pick a new hobby like stamp collecting". Either derive something useful from it or ignore it.

Of course we're human and like pats instead of punches.

To the credit of this forum, I've never read anyone being insensitive while providing feedback on a song.
 
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I can't even listen anymore... everythings so slow that it takes me about an hour to review one. That sucks.
 
PSmith,

Whilst there is no need to be nasty, I for one would like an honest opinion of my song. If somebody thinks my song is unoriginal, sang badly and was a waste of time, then I would like to know about it. Otherwise whats the point?
 
I find my participation comes and goes. I usually look over the page, but I'm usually at work just looking for a few minutes during lunch or while I'm waiting for some code I'm developing to excute... and I fell that if I'm going to comment I need to really listen to the song, which is often just too hard... then I get home and all I want to do is record... it's tough to find enough time to make commenting on songs a worthy thing for the artist -- no point in my saying, "listened real fast, sounded pretty good!" or whatever...
 
Royston,

I agree with you. It's just that I've heard a lot of stuff here which is very good (include you) and I know I'm not to that level yet whereby I can put forward a cohesive product that's technically sound (from an engineering standpoint). I am not to the point where I can capture the product I hear in my head.

I usually think, "who am I to tell Royston that the snare sounds like a tin can, or that he's using too much reverb". But what I'm starting to realize is that my opinion, as just an unsophisticated listener, has its own place. And I'm going to assume you, and others here, want my thoughts.

Finally, I need to stop being lazy (and self-conscious) and make an attempt at recording something half cohesive for posting here (can't promise I won't be attempting to bury my vocals in the mix).
 
what i dont understand,is while this whole web site is dedicated to music,and recording,the mp3 forum IS pretty dead,and that obnoxious "dragon cave" is always jammed with bullshit forums.personally,i love to listen to music in the mp3 forum. even if a song isnt great,its still cool to hear what people are writing.
 
I think what we need are standardized forms. So that we can give our opinoins of good or bad music without hurting anybody. I would hate for it to be my comment on a song that put someone off homerecording.

an example form:

What are you listening on?

how many times did you listen?

Did you like the style of music?(no means the song was "hookless" and was total crap)

Did you like the balance?

Did you like the quality of the recording?

the singer's voice?

was there any particular instrument or sound that you did not like?

etc etc

and then a small space for final thoughts.
 
Cyan,

Its good that you started a thread like this. I can only echo
some of what has already been said. I have tried and if I
didnt will attempt to always give feedback to the ones
that have taken the time to critique my stuff. Just as a
common courtesy. I may have not responded to others
because I may have felt that I may have been redundant
in my response. That being said I suppose it would be better
to say something than nothing at all.

My opinion on the feedback is that I should always be
able to find something good to say about something first
because, likes its been said, it took alot for some of us
to actually post something and wait anxiously for responses.

Everything I have taken the time to listen to..I have found that
I liked something..maybe just the fact that the person was able
to express himself musically..which is what I always hear first

The recordings are just gonna get better and better if we keep
on doing it...RECORD and LISTEN

I may even adapt my own little format...

What I liked the most..and what I liked the least..and if
somethings sticks out comment from there..

As far my mp3s are concerned I welcome feedback from all
regardless of recording experience. I believe that everyone
can discern what sounds good and what doesnt.....
 
cyan...I think you have a good idea going... some kind of format might work out, especially after a few get the hang of it....others might follow along.

One thing that kinda gripes me about this clinic is everyone kinda seems to *gush* over peoples stuff, and it seems like there IS a hesitancy to be honest. Many, many people just post..."sounds good, killer mix".....end of statement.

Also, I think there are a couple of levels of competency going on here looking for reviews. Those that are in the mixing stages...looking for assistance/advice....those that are just new to recording...and finally a group of people whos stuff is really good and have a finished product. Personally, I like listening to finished products more, rather than "works in progress" and admit that I am swayed away when the poster states "this mix is in progress, I am going to redo the drums, the vocals suck, and I am going to add another guitar, etc, etc...." Also, I like reviewing/listening to polished mixes the most, and actually think they should be compared/reviewed in comparison with current artists who are making a sucessful living out of it...ala...selling it and getting good airplay.

And...last but not least...I am one of the many that still has a 56k modem hookup VS highspeed, so downloading 5mg files kinda sucks. Therefore, (yeah I know the quality aint there), a lo-fi option makes reviewing more attractive to me...such as like places at MP3.com and IUMA, etc. I listen to the lo-fi first, and if I think the MP3 needs better scrutiny, I'll download it. Those are the files I look for first, and people with just links to download a 4+mg file, I do last.

Just a couple random thoughts I had....btw, I have been part of several internet review groups, and this is by far the most active I have seen. Some don't even comment after sending CD's around, so I kinda dropped doing that stuff, as I was just mailing CD's off into the wind. Maybe a compilation CD every now and then might be a ticket too....just some ideas...
 
mixmkr said:
Also, I think there are a couple of levels of competency going on here looking for reviews. Those that are in the mixing stages...looking for assistance/advice....those that are just new to recording...and finally a group of people whos stuff is really good and have a finished product.
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Perhaps there could be two or three "categories" of posts. That way users would have the option of bypassing the "newbie" stuff if they so desired. If mixmkr wishes to only listen to "good" stuff, then I think that should be his right. If someone felt compelled to listen to the newbies to offer tips, feedback, then great.

Listeners could also "direct" users to the newbie category if they felt a particular post (or collective body of work) didn't cut it at the high level (could also work the other way). Us newbies would also have something to strive for - joining the big boys.

Could be as simple as placing a prefix indicator on the title of your post.
 
psmith66 said:


Perhaps there could be two or three "categories" of posts. That way users would have the option of bypassing the "newbie" stuff if they so desired. If mixmkr wishes to only listen to "good" stuff, then I think that should be his right. If someone felt compelled to listen to the newbies to offer tips, feedback, then great.

Listeners could also "direct" users to the newbie category if they felt a particular post (or collective body of work) didn't cut it at the high level (could also work the other way). Us newbies would also have something to strive for - joining the big boys.

Could be as simple as placing a prefix indicator on the title of your post.
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Hopefully, my previous post did not come off sounding elitist, as I am a bottom feeder too. I guess my preferences where not clearly stated correctly, in saying that I prefer to listen to finished mixes (without excuses from the writer/player) VS rough pre-final type mixes as I feel the constructive advice on the total project is best, unless someone is trying to isolate a particular problem and wants to use the MP3 to showcase that problem. And...I think everyone...from newbies to *pros* should be put on an equal level...at least as far as reviews (to a degree), as there is no use in telling a newbie their stuff sounds great, just to pat them on the back. Instead, tell them where the rough edges are, and instead of making a totally negative post about it, remark on some of the good stuff...(if there is any!! ;-D ) Some newbie stuff has shaken my boots, btw!! And the guitar player in my church...who has played for 30 yrs now...he still sucks... ;-(
 
Mixmkr - that's cool. I guess that's two reasons you didn't dl mine - I conceded it is rough and it is 8.5 mb!

I can certainly understand wanting to spend your time on the finished stuff, makes perfect sense. On the other hand, by cornering a few people physically around me, I got some really good feedback on how TO finish it (I don't agree with all of it, but the ideas are good) and I was, I guess, hoping for more of that.

In any event, I'll be polishing mine up and posting it somewhere with a low-fi option, on your advice. Thanks
 
Old Grover,

It makes me 10-15 minutes to download a 4-5 meg
mp3. IF your file is a 8.1 you may want to consider lowering
the resolution to 128 bps which should do absolutely fine and is
pretty much the normal for hi-fi streams.

On a side note, I normally download two or three at a time
I seem to get more downloads for time spent that way.

I can get 3 in about 20-25 minnutes ..versus doing one at a time
and taking 30 minutes or more..
 
I just said buggrit and bought my own domain and picked up a webhost, so I will have plenty of room to have multiple copies of things. www.oldgrover.org coming soon to a computer near you!

(just as soon as the dns/whois stuff gets propogated)

Anyways, when I get the new mix done, I'll make sure there are much smaller options there as well as the high bit rate one. I guess I'm a bit of a pipe snob - I'm so used to having a 10mbps pipe to the outside world I forget other people don't :)
 
man, man , man.

everything mixmkr said was in my subconscious, but I could not bring it to the conscious. I agree with everything you said
about the work in process thing, that really puts me off. I don't really remember anyone doing it lately, but in the past when I saw it, I was thinking along the lines of " dude, how do you want us to help you improve a mix when you have not actually done your decided best.

It would be awesome if everybody did a mix, tweaked, retracked, tweaked etc, till it was as good as they could get it, THEN put it here for questions and comments.

I was guilty of this with my last post.I was so excited about the song that I could not wait to put it in the clinic. Only spent 5 hours mixing. Good thing it flopped.
 
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