EL34
Clown car chauffeur
That's funny, I heard that people who say things like the statement above don't know what they are talking about.
That's funny, I heard that people who say things like the statement above don't know what they are talking about.
turtlishous
seconds please!
7string said:Exactly! Someone provides a link to their tracks and you download them and then mix them. Once you have a mix, you post a link to it, the judges download your mix, listen to it and then tell you how THEY want it to sound. You keep fixing it until they tell you it sounds exactly the way they would have mixed it. It doesn't matter how YOU would mix the song, only how THEY would mix the song.
i hope that was ment to be sarcastic.....i have no meter for it
even so you sound like a grumppy old ass hole
Rokket
Trailing Behind Again
I am a fan of 80's metal (hairbands?), so the vocalists are very important to me. Singers like you mentioned, plus guys like Rob Halford (even if he is gay, who gives a fuck?), could really sing.mrface2112 said:i LOVE me some hard rock. hell, i LOVE me some metal. as long as it's got someone *singing*.
that "throat grunting/screaming" stuff, though.....i really can't get into. IMO, that "vocal style" has ruined MANY an otherwise great instrumental backing track. to each their own, i guess.
where are the Bruce Dickinsons, Geoff Tates and James LaBries of the world when you need em? hell, i'll even settle for some like King Diamond.
cheers,
wade
True story: back in 1987 I was in the Navy with this guy who loved Motorhead. He was "singing" along with "Orgasmatron", doing a really throaty, gutteral voice, trying to match Lemmy as best he could. He sounded exactly like this crap now.
So to me, they sing like that because they can't sing. Personal opinion, flames welcome.
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mrface2112
Well-known member
Rokket said:
i'm a big fan of maiden and a lot of that late 70s thru mid-80's heavy rock and metal. not so much into the hairbands, so i'd tuned out by the time the Warrants and such came around.
there was always something about watching JP videos that made me feel weird--it was halford in the studded leather.....but that man can indeed sing. still, i'll take my Triumph and Rush and Maiden albums to the grave.
it was the overly dramatic, uber melodic, operatic singing that gave that music the extra something special that it's missing today.
Rokket said:
you'll get no flames from me, b/c we're in complete agreement bro.
i "can't sing" either......but i still do. even if i DO end up sounding a bit like Steve Earle......
cheers,
wade
Rokket
Trailing Behind Again
I can't sing very well at all, so mostly I just do it because I can't find anyone to sing my stuff for me. I think with the proper lessons I will get there, but finding the time to take them is another story all together.mrface2112 said:i'm a big fan of maiden and a lot of that late 70s thru mid-80's heavy rock and metal. not so much into the hairbands, so i'd tuned out by the time the Warrants and such came around.
there was always something about watching JP videos that made me feel weird--it was halford in the studded leather.....but that man can indeed sing. still, i'll take my Triumph and Rush and Maiden albums to the grave.
it was the overly dramatic, uber melodic, operatic singing that gave that music the extra something special that it's missing today.
you'll get no flames from me, b/c we're in complete agreement bro.
i "can't sing" either......but i still do. even if i DO end up sounding a bit like Steve Earle......
cheers,
wade
ocnor
Lord Of The Thighs
Same here. Back in the 80's I used to sing Triumph, Rush, Priest, Aerosmith, Led Zep, Maiden...etc. At that time you had to have a little talent or you didn't get gigs. Now it seems that anyone with a mic can be a lead singer. You don't need talent you just have to be a good poser.mrface2112 said:
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mrface2112
Well-known member
it's all about "having the look" these days, isn't it?ocnor said:
of course, i'm one of those "talentless lead singers", much like Rokket, simply b/c i can't find anyone who's willing to be a frontman either. in my band, we split the singing duties--i sing my tunes and covers and the other guitarist sings his tunes and covers. it works for us.
in fact, we've always said that we don't have any lead *singers*.....instead we have *vocalists*.
the way i look at it, if Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Steve Earle can make careers out of not being great singers, then i can at least do it in the evenings, part time at occasional gigs.
cheers,
wade
Rokket
Trailing Behind Again
The big difference between Dylan, Young and Earle and what is out there nowadays is that they were talented writers, and had enough intelligence to learn to work around the difficiencies. Today's hacks use technology and won't put any brainpower into it.mrface2112 said:it's all about "having the look" these days, isn't it?
of course, i'm one of those "talentless lead singers", much like Rokket, simply b/c i can't find anyone who's willing to be a frontman either. in my band, we split the singing duties--i sing my tunes and covers and the other guitarist sings his tunes and covers. it works for us.
in fact, we've always said that we don't have any lead *singers*.....instead we have *vocalists*.
the way i look at it, if Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Steve Earle can make careers out of not being great singers, then i can at least do it in the evenings, part time at occasional gigs.
cheers,
wade
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mrface2112
Well-known member
amen there. and even though they wouldn't be considered "talented singers" they all DO have their own devoted followings. that says a lot about the varying tastes of people.Rokket said:
of course, i would also contend that none of the above three would even have a snowball's chance of "making it" in this industry if they were starting out today rather than when they did.
if even that! last night's CMA awards said a LOT to me.....when Carrie Underskirt thanked "the songwriters" for making her female vocalist of the year. these days all they need to do is look good and sing occasionally in tune.....with the strong emphasis on looking good. the machine will take care of the rest.Rokket said:
lord knows someone like Kenny Chesney (or Dierks Bentley or insert name here) couldn't sell a single record if it were based on the merits of his songwriting or singing ability alone. but put him on CMT (or MTV) in a wifebeater and cowboy hat, and all you need to do is sit back watch how fast the fat redneck girls swoon and buy his albums.
when's the last time you saw an "ugly" modern, successful pop star?the converse is true today too.....look at the Allmans or Doobies footage from the 70s.....there's NO WAY those ugly ass middle aged white guys with bad teeth and scraggly beards would even come CLOSE to scoring a record deal today, regardless of whether they could write OR play. A&R mooks would take one look at em and say "pass" and look for the next Billie Jo Whatshisface (from green dookie).
cheers,
wade
Rokket
Trailing Behind Again
Good points. It has been and always will be the songwriters who are making country artists who they are. It used to be that Willie Nelson made a modest living writing songs for others. I think I remember him saying that he sold his first song for $150 because he needed money for the rent. They broke out of that in the mid-70's when Waylon Jennings and others started to sing their own songs, but have gone back to using outside writers. There are only a handful that write their own stuff, and you won't find a whole album of it. Don't mess with a working hit machine formula, you know.mrface2112 said:amen there. and even though they wouldn't be considered "talented singers" they all DO have their own devoted followings. that says a lot about the varying tastes of people.
of course, i would also contend that none of the above three would even have a snowball's chance of "making it" in this industry if they were starting out today rather than when they did.
if even that! last night's CMA awards said a LOT to me.....when Carrie Underskirt thanked "the songwriters" for making her female vocalist of the year. these days all they need to do is look good and sing occasionally in tune.....with the strong emphasis on looking good. the machine will take care of the rest.
lord knows someone like Kenny Chesney (or Dierks Bentley or insert name here) couldn't sell a single record if it were based on the merits of his songwriting or singing ability alone. but put him on CMT (or MTV) in a wifebeater and cowboy hat, and all you need to do is sit back watch how fast the fat redneck girls swoon and buy his albums.
the converse is true today too.....look at the Allmans or Doobies footage from the 70s.....there's NO WAY those ugly ass middle aged white guys with bad teeth and scraggly beards would even come CLOSE to scoring a record deal today, regardless of whether they could write OR play. A&R mooks would take one look at em and say "pass" and look for the next Billie Jo Whatshisface (from green dookie).
cheers,
wade
I can remember when artists were judged on talent. The two I just mentioned, Waylon and Willie are two of the ugliest guys on the planet. And remember Don Williams? Pure country boy. The first one to attend the CMA awards in his hat and blue jeans when they were all wearing tuxes. None of them would probably have a music career if they had started today. Looks first, we can auto tune the talent in later.
Llarion
New member
I have a question; If you're doing a mix contest, do you think it's wise or unwise for the song's creator to post a "reference mix"? Do you think it's a guide, or an unnecessary influence?