Why is metal dead?

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Metal will never die...

Just because MTV doesn't play it, doesn't mean people dont still like it....

MTV is a weak fucking platform, its just there to sell commercial spots to make money off of kids/sheep....
 
My friend, GOOD metal isn't dead. The stuff you've never heard of is the good stuff that never dies. Linkin Park and that SHIT is all you'll hear on MTV. Tis a pity.
 
Light in the tunnel afterall ;)

American metal died a while back. I am a progressive metal guitarist and metal is doing very well - outsidce of the US. Even good US-based metal bands find their musical home overseas.

Iced Earth, Nevermore, Savatage, Dream Theatre, Fates Warning, and even Type O Negative has built a strong overseas following.

Other bands with female singers that do very well are Nightwish, After Forever, and Therion.

Other bands to check out are Shadow Galley, Metalium, Blind Guardian, Angra, OSI, Sinner, Hammerfall, Evergrey, Threshold, and Spiral Architect to name a few. Maiden, Helloween, and Preists have all boasted headlining tours of nearly the same proportions as back in the day.

The difference between "Euro Metal" (for lack of a better term) and American Metal is that it takes more than half a brain to listen to the music overseas. The musicians can play. The lyrics are deeper than "My life sucks and it's everyone else' fault but mine".

The days of "sex in the backseat while buzzed on JD" metal is a by-gone day though. If you dive off into Prog or Power Prog, don't expect the days of hairband or classic metal feel. It's grown....it's orchestrated. For most bands, it's about the song, not the riff or the amoun tof riffs that can be crammed into a song ;)

As far as MTV....well, MTV hit suck shortly after grunge. You can also blame MTV for reality shows. Had it not been for that show "The Real World"......sigh.

You most likely will hardly ever hear the above mentioned bands on the radio. They are not sucked up to the corporate giants in a Capatilistic way which means they are not favored by Clear Channel Comm's. Yet they survive, they write, record, and some perform to upwards of 68,000 fans at a single concert.

Metal isn't dead - it moved back home to Europe where it originated in the first place. And by "originated", I mean the British metal invasion that got the whole ball rolling before Metallica ever though tabout being called Metallica ;)
 
i just caught maiden in maryland a couple of weeks ago. excellent show, and it was packed.
 
alien said:
Metal isn't dead - it moved back home to Europe where it originated in the first place. And by "originated", I mean the British metal invasion that got the whole ball rolling before Metallica ever though tabout being called Metallica ;)
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You guys didn't create anything. You took Elvis and sent back the Beatles. You took the Ramones and sent back the SexPistols.

You damn English buzzards took everything that was just plain fun and sent it back Politically charged.




Shite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Need I say more.;)
 
Cause it ain't got no sense of humor, metal. Always sounds so (over)DRAMATIC to me...
 
no sense of humor?

go read a Cannibal corpse lyric sheet. Now that is funny.
 
Alien...
I'm into progressive metal too, alot of what you say is very true.. alot of the killer bands dont/wont play much in the US, cuz of lack of interest...

A few of those bands you named I've never heard of, I'll have to look into them...
you left off a few though...

Kamelot, Silent Force, Power of Omens, ARK..

Queensryche!....
 
I read this post with great interest and decided to write a response.

I started playing in '78-'79 and watched a great deal of changes take place in the music scene. Back then, we placed a lot of value on having a very skilled lead guitarist. These days, it seems that music has become more message related.

As a musician, I think I listen to songs in a different way. I don't criticize other bands, because I think they all have something to offer someone, but you don't see a lot of accomplished guitarists these days.

The biggest thing I have noticed in the metal area of music, when looking back from a 1980s view, is the music has shifted from melodic, technical chord progressions and blistering leads, to a simple and basic system of chord progressions.

There are some bands that are the exception to this rule and that goes without saying, but in general, I don't hear too many bands that grab me with their technique.

On the other hand, when I overheard my daughter playing 'Boys & Girls' by Good Charlotte, it really had me tapping my foot. I'm not trying to start a fight here, but it had a catchy beat, a humerous message and a funny video.

What was missing, to me, was a blistering lead in the turnaround. However, when I talk to kids these days, the majority don't aspire to play anything but the chunky, dropped 'D' rythym parts.

Remember how hard some of the guitar solos were to learn? What about Rhoads lead work in 'Mr. Crowley?' Some of his work was so difficult to master.

Now, neighborhood kids with a basic grasp of the guitar can plug in and jam right along to their favorite band (in some cases) and play the entire song.

Maybe that is what has popularized this new style of music???

I saw an interview with Lita Ford a while back and she was talking about how she was waiting for metal to come back to its roots. I guess I am waiting too.

When I hear some of these 'punk metal' bands, I really have to shake my head, because I just can't understand the words. The vocalist is just screaming all the time and the music is so fast, you can't get a feel for what they are trying to say.

I never listened much to Metallica in the early days, but since they slowed down and became more melodic, they have become one of my favorites.

Personally, I think that Kirk Hammett is a very gifted guitarist, but his extensive use of Wah seems to cloud some of his expression.

Perhaps it is our own personal taste that makes us feel that a certain style of music is dead, when in reality, it is simply waiting to be rediscovered.

I wonder if I will ever go to a modern band concert and leave with the same feeling of awe as when I saw Ozzy with Rhoads, Dio with Vivian Campbell or Megadeth?

I wonder what the next generation of metal will be like...Bert
 
You won't leave with same feeling unless you attend ProgPower USA, see an older metal band on a reunion/recapture-ish tour, or go to the European festivals like Graspop or Wacken.

I play a 7-string and also use Drop D on a couple of songs. I use the low B on the 7-string only when needed. I have found, when being played with a good string section sounds on the keys, it adds a depth when recorded as the second rhythm guitar. Just a matter of taste though. I won't go Limp Bizkit on the thing lol.

RR was one of my major influences and the outtro solo to Crowley was a milestone in my quest as a guitarist. I was raised on Vivaldi, Beethoven, and Mozart. Metal was an easy concept for me since it carried alot of the same movements.

The outtro to Crowley and the outtro to Revelation Mother Earth were masterpieces. The outtro solo to Tonight off of Diary was one helluva tingling piece too.

RR, SRV, Robert Cray, Hendrix. Clapton, Page, Iommi, my list goes on and on of guitar greats and innovators. Cobain isn't in there ;)

The last band I was in played Fuel, Filter, Stain, etc. The opening chords for "Take A Picture" by Filter was a reversal of the chords for "Hemmorhage (In my hands)" by Fuel. Wanna know how many times I would strum one direction rather than the other on the wrong song? LOL! Out of all of them Staind was the most boring. Yeah, they may have a message, but look at the messages! It's depressing as hell. No wonder kids these days have no drive, no aspirations, no inspiration past Play Stations and whatever the hell else they do.

Good music drove me to push myself. Not see how little I could get by with.

The friends I have who have children of their own let their kids listen to their own music. But most also listen to metal in the house as well. Metal from "thei day"...not this Nu Metal stuff. I haven't been surprised to hear of the kids (13 to 17 yr olds now) borrowing and pretty much commandeering their parents CD's :D

Even in non-rock genre's. A friend's 14yr old who listens to whatever the current rage is, fell in love with my soundtrack to Jeckyll & Hyde (broadway production). I had to go buy him a copy for his birthday to get mine back! There's hope for him yet ;)
 
Alien, I always loved that outro on Tonight.It's one of his great leads you don't hear mentioned much.It pisses my off that they faded it so soon.I always feel inclined to keep crankin' the volume up as it fades out so I can hear it all.(just make sure to get the volume back down before S.A.T.O. kicks in).Long live Randy!
 
I think my favorite Rhoads leads was in 'Flyin' High Again,' especially the live version from the 'Tribute' album. It was very melodic and graceful.

I was really into Angus Young and Rhoads when I was growing up. I greatly admired the lead work of Mathias Jabs of Scorpions. I saw them live in 1984 on their 'World Wide Live Tour.' The speed at which he played was amazing.

I also liked Vivian Campbell's lead in 'Last in Line' with its rapidly ascending scales at the end.

I think now that I am older, I am really starting to get into Malmsteen more and more. I remember when he came out with 'Rising Force,' but the musical composition was too much for me then.

I still find it very hard to play most of his work accurately, but I think it gives me something to strive for.

I just miss music that grabs you...Bert
 
I really like Mathias' lead work, too.He has very tasteful solos and he does smoke.I just saw Vivian Campbell with Def Leppard, he's still burning too.



Mr. Bert said:
I think my favorite Rhoads leads was in 'Flyin' High Again,' especially the live version from the 'Tribute' album. It was very melodic and graceful.

I was really into Angus Young and Rhoads when I was growing up. I greatly admired the lead work of Mathias Jabs of Scorpions. I saw them live in 1984 on their 'World Wide Live Tour.' The speed at which he played was amazing.

I also liked Vivian Campbell's lead in 'Last in Line' with its rapidly ascending scales at the end.

I think now that I am older, I am really starting to get into Malmsteen more and more. I remember when he came out with 'Rising Force,' but the musical composition was too much for me then.

I still find it very hard to play most of his work accurately, but I think it gives me something to strive for.

I just miss music that grabs you...Bert
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Bert - try these:

Nevermore - Dead Heart In A Dead World.
tracks not to miss - The Heart Collector, Evoltution 169, Believe In Nothing

Savatage - The Wake Of Magellan
tracks not to miss - the whole CD

Nightwish - Wishmaster
her vocals take a few listens to get adjusted since she is a classically trained singer, but out of all of them, track 10 is a compositional masterpiece.

Shadow Gallery - Tyranny.
Tracks 1 thru 3 give the opening story line and can seem complex at times. They fit into the scheme of things and from track 4 on thru, it's one heckuva concept CD where the songs themselves were the focus, not technique (planty of technique there though).

Sample some of Therion's work as well as After Forver.

Also, Trans Siberian Orchestra - Beethoven's Last Night is a good blend of rock/metal/broadway. Plus it has Meat Loaf's female counterpart on it (She's still hot!)

Hope this helps.
 
Just what music do you listen to Outlaw?

It seems as though you are stuck in some particular area that moved you and you refuse to budge from it.

None of the bands I mentioned above grabbed me like Rhoads did when I saw him play the outtro to Crowley live. And different from Tribute's version, he reprised the bridge section in full overdrive at the end before going into the downscale. That version can only be heard on Live E.P.

There'll never be another era like it, but I simply refuse to say that it was the only era/genre that existed and stay stuck in it.

To each his own and I respect any musician who writes original material rather than simply living in a cover band. For myself though, I'm not gonna write music based upon a bygone era and then get frustrated it went nowhere. At the same time, I have never been one to enjoy whatever the current fad was either.

For the record, I despised all but about 10 songs from the hairband era at the time. Ask me at that time what I thought of Bon Jovi and I woulda used some rather brash metaphors to convey my thoughts. Opinions change over time. I never liked KISS's studio albums either. Love seeing them live, but not the studio music. And although I think Malmsteen is a great guitarist, his music really did nothing for me. I found Satriani to be far more entertaining as he focused on sings rather than speed. Vai, who could do both, was in my tape deck alot too.
 
Its because this stupid thread won't go away. Thats what the Q&A thread was a joke about. There is nothing to argue.


No. I will not tell you what or how much I listen to either.
 
Outlaws said:
Its because this stupid thread won't go away. Thats what the Q&A thread was a joke about. There is nothing to argue.


No. I will not tell you what or how much I listen to either.
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The thread is fine, its you that needs to go away.... no ones forcing you to reply or even read it....

You are obviously a Britney Spears fan....
 
Metal is definately not dead, just kinda underground, lying dormant, waiting to unleash itself upon the masses once again after all the Pop fans are totally turned off by Britney Spears after finding out she was actually born a man.

:p
 
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