Why are tube amps so expensive?

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He also said that there were some caps and resistors in there that weren't factory spec, so he supposedly put all that shit back to original shape. I don't know. I'm lost on this amp innards stuff and I hate it. I need to learn this shit. It all cost 120 bucks and the amp is all freshened up with new tubes and a clean bill of health. He even offered to buy it from me. I guess it's good to go now.
 
He also said that there were some caps and resistors in there that weren't factory spec, so he supposedly put all that shit back to original shape. I don't know. I'm lost on this amp innards stuff and I hate it. I need to learn this shit. It all cost 120 bucks and the amp is all freshened up with new tubes and a clean bill of health. He even offered to buy it from me. I guess it's good to go now.

That makes sense, I've heard TSL's need some caps etc. changed to run the L's , it all sounds a bit iffy to me.

factory spec is good.
 
He also said that there were some caps and resistors in there that weren't factory spec, so he supposedly put all that shit back to original shape. I don't know. I'm lost on this amp innards stuff and I hate it. I need to learn this shit. It all cost 120 bucks and the amp is all freshened up with new tubes and a clean bill of health. He even offered to buy it from me. I guess it's good to go now.
it's actually fairly simple. You know how to do complex car shit right?
Easier than that.
 
it's actually fairly simple. You know how to do complex car shit right?
Easier than that.

Yeah I can fix cars in my sleep. Even electrical systems on cars. That's all DC stuff though. Home electronic AC type stuff aint my thing. Never messed with it.

I wanna learn it though.
 
Yeah I can fix cars in my sleep. Even electrical systems on cars. That's all DC stuff though. Home electronic AC type stuff aint my thing. Never messed with it.

I wanna learn it though.

No you don't, cos then you start fucking around fixing stuff that ain't broke instead of playing. :)
 
Trust me, I aint doing nothing to anything unless it has to be done. I aint no tinkerer.
 
I wanted to get an amp kit a few years ago but they take so much time. I've built preamps and modded tube amps and it's all pretty easy. But, for what you did you'd spend $60+ in parts and shipping, then a few hours diagnosing and replacing, and only save $50-60.

But replacing tubes and biasing the amp is super simple and probably something worth your time to learn.
 
From an old thread in 2007

Marshall JCM900 hum is fixed

Got my Marshall JCM900 4100 amp back after only a week from Long and McQuade. (They called the day I took it in and said it could take 1-2 months due to excessive repair workload. Bonus!

I've only had a few minutes to test it since I got it home (because my daughter has to study for a test tonight). There's lots of time to test it though which i will do later....

The hum is pretty much gonzo - noticed the silence right away.....
Amazing difference overall, super quiet, seems louder, more OD, nice tone. It was not 60 Cycle hum which I thought it might be initially.

They did a number of mods to fix it. Here's the breakdown - hopefully this will be of benefit to others in the future. I'd recommend you take your amp to a professional like the guy at L&M for these kinds of mods.....

Repair Details:
Replaced second preamp tube.
Replaced low voltage supply zener diodes and master volume switching opamp.
Replaced factory installed (in 1990) 56K bias resistor with 47K bias resistor as per 1994 schematic to lower increase the negative bias voltage from -50V to -38V to properly bias the EL34 tube configuration.
Resoldered misc components and organized wire layout to help with noise further.
Rtv’d misc components.
Test ok

Mesa Boogie 12AX7 preamp tube 13.95
YSL Marshal Part Valvestate IC M5201 5.95
YSL Part 1N5245B 15VO OW5 Z (2) .50
YSL Part 1/2W 47K5 T&R RES .25
Repair Labor (60) 65.40
Subtotal 86.05
GST 5.16
Total 91.21 (CDN)



From an old thread of mine when my JCM900 was giving me static...Nov 2009

Tech checked the tubes on a tube tester and they all seemed okay. But tapping on the tube created a fluctuation and I guess the static. Replaced an EL34 tube and did a thorough cleaning and checkup of all the sockets, jacks and switches. I fired it up for 1/2 hour and seems okay - no static and tone is good. Seems a little louder and more sustain.
He also mentioned that he turned down the voltage from 42 to 35 as 42 is too hot and will burn out tubes faster. Maximum is like 43 or something and 42 is the setting recommended in the specs but that's if you buy Marshall original type tubes - the kind that came with the unit originally - which are long gone so no idea what brand/style. Doesn't seem to have any bad affects reducing the voltage. $204.......
 
That was Nov 2009 so far so good....but it sems like an every two year event lol....
 
Repair Details:
Replaced second preamp tube.
Replaced low voltage supply zener diodes and master volume switching opamp.
Replaced factory installed (in 1990) 56K bias resistor with 47K bias resistor as per 1994 schematic to lower increase the negative bias voltage from -50V to -38V to properly bias the EL34 tube configuration.
Resoldered misc components and organized wire layout to help with noise further.
Rtv’d misc components.
Test ok

I've had a few Russian 12AX7's that somehow had a cathode-heater short, and would hum like mad. I don't know how these slip by QC, but they do. In fact, other than a filter going 'open' (not likely, but it can happen), tubes are the culprit 99% of the time. The zener bit isn't something I'd know how it can affect 'hum'. Unless it looks bloated and cooked like a marshmallow a campfire, why would you change a zener? :confused:
The bias makes the most sense, too. That's the big reason a lot of tube amps come back to the store for warranty repair. Well, you'd complain the amp just doesn't sound right, they'd do a 10-second repair job adjusting the bias, and away you go. I once picked up a dead mint 1969 Super Reverb after it had been gone through by the in-store 'tech', but a line up of 912 guitar players who thought they wanted it walked away 'cause the tone sucked bad. I took it, and at home measured the bias. Stone cold, and a quick turn of the screwdriver opened up the tone like you wouldn't believe. I still have that amp, and the store knocked hundreds off the price because it was now an 'as is' amp with no warranty. Big deal. :p
Going from -50VDC to -38VDC seems right for EL34's, but -52VDC is about right for 6L6's, so it depends on what tubes the amp came with. Marshall is usually EL34, so the bias mod makes sense. The tech can figure this out pretty easily it seems.



From an old thread of mine when my JCM900 was giving me static...Nov 2009

Tech checked the tubes on a tube tester and they all seemed okay. But tapping on the tube created a fluctuation and I guess the static. Replaced an EL34 tube and did a thorough cleaning and checkup of all the sockets, jacks and switches. I fired it up for 1/2 hour and seems okay - no static and tone is good. Seems a little louder and more sustain.
He also mentioned that he turned down the voltage from 42 to 35 as 42 is too hot and will burn out tubes faster. Maximum is like 43 or something and 42 is the setting recommended in the specs but that's if you buy Marshall original type tubes - the kind that came with the unit originally - which are long gone so no idea what brand/style. Doesn't seem to have any bad affects reducing the voltage. $204.......

I think you mean idle current was reduced from 42mA to 35mA. That's OK, and makes the tubes last longer, but you give up a little tone. Actually, you need to know the Plate voltage, but 42mA is hot unless you have a 50-watter with a low B+. Some players will sacrifice tube life for that tone, and it is a great tone. But your wallet will feel lighter more often.
 
Mmm hmm. Sure thing there, chief.

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tubes are a release valve for my ego.
 

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