Which way should my glass tilt?

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Hey guys! We are building a studio in my home and have hit a snag.

Attached is a pic of the room where we are building a wall between two rooms for monitoring.

The wall has been built and we are using two pieces of acrylic glass with an air barrier in the middle and we are wondering, shouldn't the piece of glass that is facing the drumset be tilted? If so, which way, towards the ceiling or floor?

The drum room part has carpet on the floor, nothing on the ceiling (plaster) and acoustic treatment on the walls.

Thanks!
Wes
 

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we are using two pieces of acrylic glass
First off, do NOT use ACRYLIC. Use REAL glass as it has more mass than acrylic, is more rigid, and it's cheaper. However, IMO, angling is the least of your worries.

Here's the real deal. Unless your wall has the depth to make angling effective, there is no reason to do it. Pro studios usually have a double wall with a depth that allows for angling at an effective angle. 12degrees is considered the minimum to have an effect on reflections, and size has a lot to do with it too. But a standard wall depth(4.5") is too shallow to angle the pane at an effective angle. In fact, if you do angle it, you are actually making the TL of the assembly worse.

For a standard residential 2 leaf wall, with 1 layer of drywall per leaf, the Transmission Loss(TL) is so minimal, it doesn't make any sense to angle the glass, as you lower the TL of the window assembly as you angle it, due to closing up the airgap. And frankly, here is the real issue.

Due to the "weak link" syndrome, a window assembly with a TL LESS than the wall makes no sense, as it now becomes a weak link in the whole wall assembly. And if you OVERBUILD it, then the wall becomes the weak link, not to mention flanking paths that may negate the entire partition in the first place. Things like HVAC ducts, wooden floor membranes common to both rooms, or even concrete floors that are common to both rooms can be structural flanking paths that transmit impact sounds fairly easy.

So, the issue of angling a piece of glass becomes almost nill compared to the real issues here. To properly isolate one space from another is not an easy task, especially for drums which can easily create 110db sounds. So, even if the rest of the rooms assemblies are up to snuff, flanking wise, simple residential walls will not isolate one space from the other by any measure. Even speech can transmit easily. Therefore, a window assembly, that equals the TL of the surrounding assembly, will also transmit sounds very easily. Which makes angling a moot point.

Now, If you had a double two leaf wall, with each leaf a minimum of two layers of 5/8", and an 18" airgap, THEN you might consider angling one pane. But mind you, to equal the TL of such an assembly, it would take one pane of 1/2" glass, and another of 3/4" glass, which is not cheap, nor easy to install correctly.

In your case, IF this is a standard wall, and all flanking issues addressed, just to equal the TL of said wall would take one sheet of 1/4" glass and another 3/8". And it STILL would transmit just as easily as the wall. Especially with drums. Isolating 100db sounds at close proximity is a lesson in physics and TL construction. And to be ABSOLUTELY frank...in terms of residential after the fact construction..is in all fairness...IMPOSSIBLE. Period. So I wouldn't worry about the angle issue. After all, the wall around the window is flat..which will specular reflect regardless if you angle the window. In fact, in small rooms such as this, the reflections have so little distance to travel, one small square footage at an angle, actually has very little effect on the over all room response.

Personally, I would spend some of your budget treating the ceiling above the drums. This will do more good than angling the glass ever would.


btw, my disclaimer is in full force here....ie...I ain't no expert...but common sense is my defense.

fitZ
 
Please rethink adding your wall (and the window).
As Rick is saying, isolation is tough; it's unlikely that will you be able to hear very well in the separated room; since you have not provided dimensions we have no way of knowing, but I suspect both of your rooms will be tiny, hard to work in, and acoustically suspect.
A one room studio will serve you much more than an attempt at chopping it up, invest your money in acoustic treatment (rigid fiberglass & bass traps) instead of an unnecessary wall/window dividing up an already tight space.
Unless you really have a superior space (transmission loss and isolation and plenty of room) you are not going to be able to "do something else/listen to mixes" while anything is going on in the next room.
add to the fact that everytime anything has to be adjusted, you have to leave your room and walk into the other one to adjust it, and if you want the performer to hear it, you have to provide another set of monitors or they have to get up and come into the console side of the space.
best of luck, and remember, proper planning prevents poor performance.
Unless your space is larger than 30' X 30' (largest project studio I worked with), I would say most multiple room setups will be more of a hassle than they are worth.
I would build an isolation cabinet for a guitar amp, and spend money on acoustic treatment instead of wall building.
cheers
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One thing you can do with glass between rooms is to hang a typical shutter blind and just open it part of the way, and the shutters will be angled...or you can open any amount you desire.
You can see through the hanging shutters, but the shutters will help diffuse the sound from hitting the glass head-on.

Cheap and easy to do.
 
... shutters will help diffuse the sound from hitting the glass head-on.

Could you explain that one. From the picture I have in my head, all the shutters will be the same size, same depth and will be pointing in the same direction. That would not diffuse the sound but reflect it, but also not all teh sound, only the (higher) frequency with a short enough wave for the shutters to be affect. Without the math my intuition says this will be a cheapskate mistake.
 
Well...what else could you put in front of a flat-glass window...?...certainly not a formal quadratic diffuser or other type, as that would completely block the glass and view.
Of course a shutter uses the same size slats, but will still help break up and diffuse the sound better than just the plain glass.
Some will hit the slats, some will pass, hit the glass and then the back of the slats, some will hit the glass and back out past the slats....etc...and no, it will have NO effect on low frequencies...but then, neither will the bare glass.

Other best option is not to put in the glass at all unless absolutely needed...or have some kind of portable trapping/diffusion that you roll into place when you want to mix and have no need to see into the other room.

You could even built your own custom blinds using slats of varying sizes/thickness...which would be even better than store-bought typical blinds.
It's just an way to lose the bare/plain glass....
 
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