where does randy rhoads still stand?

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Randy was (is) one of my favorite guitarist. But I doubt he would have succeeded as a classical guitarist. It takes years of discipline and although he was inspired by it and it came out in his playing, I don't think he would have taken it to the level necessary to succeed. He probably would have just continued to grow as a rock guitarist. That's just my opinion and yes, I have heard Dee. But Dee wouldn't hold up to a real classical guitarist. But still a great song.
 
Sirnothingness said:
Not at all. Their styles were very different. If I were to compare Randy to anyone it would be more along the lines of a Richie Blackmore than EVH. Even their tapping techniques were different from one another.

And Randy's riffs/playing certainly still holds up to todays standards.
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I agree he was probably closer in general to Blackmore in general, but if you listen to his extended Suicide Solution solo on Tribute there are some very EVH tapping lines going one. Almost a direct lift.

If Eddie VH had died in 81 instead of Randy, we would be saying the same thing about him. The reality is that if Randy, Jimi, Cobain, etc... had lived, they would have eventually faded away and/or become just as irrelevant as EVH, Uli Roth, Richie Blackmore, Yngwie, Vai, etc...
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I would put Jimi and Cobain in a different category than Randy. Jimi and Cobain were also strong songwriters, not to mention good showmen. Songwriters can have a much longer shelf life than flashy guitarists. Nirvana could be going around playing giant arenas like the Who at 60 for all we know. Are popular old acts AC/DC and the Who uncool? I dunno, maybe but an awful lot of people like it. Not irrelevant IMO.

I think that Dime will not be remembered the same way as Randy because he didn't die at the height of of his popularity or even the upward swing of his career.
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Not sure exactly what this means, but I think there is tons of love for Dime, probably more than Randy. Dime was probably a bigger name and the way he died was more of a tragedy really. Also Randy never really developed a rock persona like Dime and there were lots of folks holding out hope for a Pantera reunion. I've heard metal stations doing regular Dime tributes and never heard anything similar for Randy.
 
PhiloBeddoe said:
I would put Jimi and Cobain in a different category than Randy. Jimi and Cobain were also strong songwriters, not to mention good showmen. Songwriters can have a much longer shelf life than flashy guitarists. Nirvana could be going around playing giant arenas like the Who at 60 for all we know. Are popular old acts AC/DC and the Who uncool? I dunno, maybe but an awful lot of people like it. Not irrelevant IMO.
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Randy wrote the first two Ozzy albums. 25 years later, Ozzy couldn't get away without playing Crazy Train (and a few others from those albums) at a show.

AC/DC, the Who, the Stones, etc... are irrelevant. They keep putting out new albums (not the Who) that don't sell because no one is interested in hearing anything new. They are not of this time. They are not part of this generation of music. It's nostalgia. That's not to say they don't put on a good show and people won't show up and enjoy it.



PhiloBeddoe said:
Also Randy never really developed a rock persona like Dime and there were lots of folks holding out hope for a Pantera reunion. I've heard metal stations doing regular Dime tributes and never heard anything similar for Randy.
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All of this happened 25 years ago. Lets see if people are still bringing up Dimes name in 2030.
 
Man, I totally disagree. I think Randy's tone on BLIZZARD was awesome. In particular, his rhythm guitar tone on I DON'T KNOW, CRAZY TRAIN, and STEAL AWAY THE NIGHT. Part of what I like about his sound is that he would stack rhythm guitar tracks. He also would often triple-track his guitar solos. He would come up with a solo after playing to a loop Norman would create for him. This solo would be panned to the center... then he would double, and triple the solo. The engineer would pan his second and third solos slightly to the left and right... not all the way. This gave it a very unique sound.

He didn't use a Rockman... that device didn't come out until 1982, and BLIZZARD was recorded from '79-80.

His sound was created with all-tube Marshall Plexis... and he did use effects like a wah-wah as a filter... an MXR distortion, and MXR equalizer, and so forth.

As I stated earlier, Norman used a special delay unit (new back in 79/80).. I think it was an AMS delay. He credited the rhythm sounds on CRAZY TRAIN to his liberal use of this device.

Max Norman said in an interview that his amps were put in a stairway, and that he then miked them accordingly. I've never read anywhere that Randy recorded any guitars direct through the board.

I've always preferred his tone from BLIZZARD to that on DIARY. I agree that his compositional abilities definitely improved on DIARY, but I've always felt that the sound was a lot darker on DIARY. Probably the reason for this is that the entire album's songs (with the exception of SATO) were detuned to Eflat (ala Van Halen (DLR era)). I think it was for vocal reasons, since Ozzy was having trouble singing in the higher registers.
 
Randy was great and very young, too, when he was writing with Ozzy. I love his solos in Mr Crowley.

Then there's the fact that he inspired not just many guitarists after him, but also Ozzy's guitarists after him.
 
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