When I make a CD of my masters

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16-bit is an absolutely fine delivery format. But it's still a delivery format. Recording and calculating in higher resolutions is a wonderful thing -- But even for a final delivery format, if you can't make one of the greatest and most celebrated audiophile award-winning recordings of all time, it isn't the fault of it being 16-bit and having "only" a 96dB dynamic range...
 
sixer2007 said:
Idk man, It's just the way it is. CD players aren't able to read higher than 16 bits for whatever reason. There probably isn't a high enough demand from the consumer market to make new era players that would play higher bit rate files anyway; no one gives a damn about the quality of their tunes anymore :-(
Plus, CDs are kinda dying
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There are higher bitrate and sample rate formats out there; DVD-Audio, HD Audio. But you're right, no one cares and no will pay extra so they don't go mainstream. I put the blame squarely on ear buds. Ultra portable and convenient and the largest music-buying demographic (teens to 20's) won't spend money to buy better sounding headphones for their ipods.
 
Massive Master said:
16-bit is an absolutely fine delivery format. But it's still a delivery format. Recording and calculating in higher resolutions is a wonderful thing -- But even for a final delivery format, if you can't make one of the greatest and most celebrated audiophile award-winning recordings of all time, it isn't the fault of it being 16-bit and having "only" a 96dB dynamic range...
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Ok i really dont have a gripe about 16 bit cause Ive record and burn at 16 bit on my tascam DP-02 with awesome results but.....my 2488 NEO has a choice of 16/24 bit but with a CD burner that must only burn at 16 bit right?? then why have the choice of 24 bit??
 
For OP, check out Nettlingham AUdio in vancouver. Depending on your budget, you might get a bunch of CD-r's burned pretty quickly, somehting like $80 for 50.

For Tascam man: there are different schools of thought on 24/96 etc etc. and whether you should dither in software or resample. You have to have 16/44.1 for a CD, but getting there from 24/96 or whatever your best is you have some options. Some people will re sample; that is playback via the D/A and convert with, e.g. a Tascam cd writer, so you do all your tracking at the best resolution possible, and avoid conversion in software. So you do have A-->D(24/96)--->A----D(16/44.1) but you won't have (what is it called quantization noise?) negative results from dithering.
 
TASCAM MAN said:
Ok i really dont have a gripe about 16 bit cause Ive record and burn at 16 bit on my tascam DP-02 with awesome results but.....my 2488 NEO has a choice of 16/24 bit but with a CD burner that must only burn at 16 bit right?? then why have the choice of 24 bit??
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I'm a little confused on the question, so I'll give two answers --

1) You always want to record in 24-bit -- It allows for a wider dynamic range and there isn't the buildup of dither noise that would be present in 16-bit recordings. Calculations after that are probably going to be in 32-bit or higher.

2) Exporting to 16-bit is fine for a finished project -- Traditionally, once a project is mixed, it isn't yet finished ("traditionally").

That said -- I understand there are units out there that record in 24-bit but will only export in 16-bit CDA. I have several clients that send in stacks of discs for every project because they can't just export a collection of 24-bit PCM files (some of them, I've talked into getting a Masterlink or something along those lines or simply mixing a 24-bit PCM stream out to a simple computer interface).

Gotta say I never quite understood why...
 
Massive Master said:
I'm a little confused on the question, so I'll give two answers --

1) You always want to record in 24-bit -- It allows for a wider dynamic range and there isn't the buildup of dither noise that would be present in 16-bit recordings. Calculations after that are probably going to be in 32-bit or higher.

2) Exporting to 16-bit is fine for a finished project -- Traditionally, once a project is mixed, it isn't yet finished ("traditionally").



That said -- I understand there are units out there that record in 24-bit but will only export in 16-bit CDA. I have several clients that send in stacks of discs for every project because they can't just export a collection of 24-bit PCM files (some of them, I've talked into getting a Masterlink or something along those lines or simply mixing a 24-bit PCM stream out to a simple computer interface).

Gotta say I never quite understood why...
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Ok so does it do me any good to record (my choice on 2488) at 24 bits and then mix/master/burn a CD to the machine, if its gonna change the bits and sample rate to 16 bit 44.1 ???
 
TASCAM MAN said:
Ok so does it do me any good to record (my choice on 2488) at 24 bits and then mix/master/burn a CD to the machine, if its gonna change the bits and sample rate to 16 bit 44.1 ???
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Massive Master said:
1) You always want to record in 24-bit -- It allows for a wider dynamic range and there isn't the buildup of dither noise that would be present in 16-bit recordings. Calculations after that are probably going to be in 32-bit or higher.

2) Exporting to 16-bit is fine for a finished project -- Traditionally, once a project is mixed, it isn't yet finished ("traditionally").
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TASCAM MAN said:
Ok so does it do me any good to record (my choice on 2488) at 24 bits and then mix/master/burn a CD to the machine, if its gonna change the bits and sample rate to 16 bit 44.1 ???
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Yes, the answer is yes. It was yes when John first answered the question. Again yes, when he quoted himself answering the question, and still yes when two members confirm it as a yes.

Yes

:)
 
Chili said:
I saw them in the round....

I was soooo frikkin high.... I don't remember the show. :(
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That's hilarious. I also saw them in the round at the Montreal Forum. And, I too was so high, I don't remember the show. I remember seeing Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman, but I still don't remember if Bill Buford or Alan White was playing drums.
 
that's too funny. The sad part is I can go to wikipedia or youtube to see what I missed and for some weird reason I ain't gonna do that.

:laughings:
 
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