What's your motivation for recording?

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What's your reason for recording?

  • I'm a musician foremost, but I can't afford time in a pro studio

    Votes: 3 6.7%
  • I'm a musician foremost, but I'm a DIY person

    Votes: 9 20.0%
  • I'm a musician, but I also enjoy the recording side of things

    Votes: 27 60.0%
  • I prefer to record (myself or others) rather than play

    Votes: 6 13.3%
  • I'm not a musician at all - just an engineer

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    45
Yeah mixing with a mouse is one of the reasons I stay away from the CPU method as much as possible. (Not that I'll ever be able to afford anything remotely approaching your setup.) I have to use my DAW (Reaper) for some work projects because the of the versatility and editing, so I have a bare-bones minimum setup: an M-Audio Delta 44, Reaper, EZ Drummer, and a slew of freeware plug-ins. I did recently get a little Korg Nanokontrol surface control (9 faders, solo/mute buttons, and transport controls), which works surprisingly well for $30 and helps me get my hands off the mouse and keyboard a little bit at least.

But when I record my own stuff, I always use stand-alone recorders (Tascam 246 cassette 4-track or a Roland VS-1880) because I hate "looking at my music," and I really like the feel of faders, knobs, etc.
 
Yeah mixing with a mouse is one of the reasons I stay away from the CPU method as much as possible. (Not that I'll ever be able to afford anything remotely approaching your setup.) I have to use my DAW (Reaper) for some work projects because the of the versatility and editing, so I have a bare-bones minimum setup: an M-Audio Delta 44, Reaper, EZ Drummer, and a slew of freeware plug-ins. I did recently get a little Korg Nanokontrol surface control (9 faders, solo/mute buttons, and transport controls), which works surprisingly well for $30 and helps me get my hands off the mouse and keyboard a little bit at least.

But when I record my own stuff, I always use stand-alone recorders (Tascam 246 cassette 4-track or a Roland VS-1880) because I hate "looking at my music," and I really like the feel of faders, knobs, etc.



Yeah, agreed. I have some options now, but haven't taken the plunge. I have the Mcmix and a few of the Steinberg CMC controllers, which integrate nicely into stein berg, but they all feel like toys a bit, but definitely like the better feel of control vs. mouse for tracking yes, but definitely mixing.

Mouse/keyboard not great but haven;t been convinced it will be worth thousands to get a better interface feel and in the future i probably will be some new hybrid way of interfacing basic once analog mix functions and digital functions bonding routing automation. I can tell u from my science work, that there is no going back to analog control, the flexibility and efficient use of space and the trim down on physical connectors is just too big to go backwards. In the lab doing it all on computer versus a wall of analog gear and wiring is not a decision at all, that being said a hybrid approach is great, but eventually u and I will be old timers and new generation will have little concept of turning any knobs for recording. This the direction of many things far before the digital resistant recording community. Certainly writing vs typing v word recognition etc...Same for mathematical software young people learn the concepts from using the software not the other way around. But those who know both might actually develop something new and exciting.

I was on the fence with the SSL nucleus and the Focusrite Control but am holding off as each has things I don't like or its missing, but they are close to what I might be interested in in the control surface domain. I am saving for some new ADC converters instead, but it will be some cash. Next, strengthening mastering hardware, so some lofty items on my wish list. and u know his saving goes for big ticket items, I see other stuff I NEED in the meantime, but for the best maybe to wait until the exact product I want comes to mind or market.




Since this is a HR motivation thread, I must add feeding my gear acquisition syndrome is another motivation, albeit a destructive one. But Alas! There are blogs sites full of other HR recording junkies.
 
Yeah, agreed. I have some options now, but haven't taken the plunge. I have the Mcmix and a few of the Steinberg CMC controllers, which integrate nicely into stein berg, but they all feel like toys a bit, but definitely like the better feel of control vs. mouse for tracking yes, but definitely mixing.

Mouse/keyboard not great but haven;t been convinced it will be worth thousands to get a better interface feel and in the future i probably will be some new hybrid way of interfacing basic once analog mix functions and digital functions bonding routing automation. I can tell u from my science work, that there is no going back to analog control, the flexibility and efficient use of space and the trim down on physical connectors is just too big to go backwards. In the lab doing it all on computer versus a wall of analog gear and wiring is not a decision at all, that being said a hybrid approach is great, but eventually u and I will be old timers and new generation will have little concept of turning any knobs for recording. This the direction of many things far before the digital resistant recording community. Certainly writing vs typing v word recognition etc...Same for mathematical software young people learn the concepts from using the software not the other way around. But those who know both might actually develop something new and exciting.

I was on the fence with the SSL nucleus and the Focusrite Control but am holding off as each has things I don't like or its missing, but they are close to what I might be interested in in the control surface domain. I am saving for some new ADC converters instead, but it will be some cash. Next, strengthening mastering hardware, so some lofty items on my wish list. and u know his saving goes for big ticket items, I see other stuff I NEED in the meantime, but for the best maybe to wait until the exact product I want comes to mind or market.




Since this is a HR motivation thread, I must add feeding my gear acquisition syndrome is another motivation, albeit a destructive one. But Alas! There are blogs sites full of other HR recording junkies.

Yes, I'm already an old-timer, and I'm really just barely hanging on to "technology" at this point. I didn't get a smartphone until last year, and it seems as though I'm constantly having to deal with things on a technological level that I really hate---texting being one of the biggest. I can't stand it. But anyway, I digress.

If I could afford it, I'd record on nothing but analog tape. But I can't afford a reel-to-reel at this point (or, at least, the cost of the machine and tape plus the repairs and/or the equipment required for maintenance/etc.), and I went through 5 cassette 4-tracks over the past year---each one turning out to be defective and beyond my repair skills (meaning ... not just a belt replacement or anything). The Tascam 246 is actually in the shop right now being repaired for low record/playback levels. It's my last shot at keeping an analog recorder around for a while. That's why I bought the VS-1880; I just couldn't let the analog struggle keep getting in the way of actually recording music, which is the whole point (or, at least, the main point I'd say).

So, until I have enough money to where I can tell someone, "Here ... take this, fix it, set it up, and let me know how much it costs when it's done," I'll work with my Roland if necessary (if the shop can repair my 246, I'll use it too, because I love working with 4-track cassettes--I'm a nostalgic SOB).

I know you're right about the days of the analog interface being long gone. It saddens me, but, unfortunately, that's life. One of the main things I hate about the new way is that there are hardly any serviceable parts anymore. It seems a lot of things (on the consumer level, at least) are just made to be replaced or thrown out when they malfunction.

And my other complaint about the whole digital idea in general --- and this is my own opinion, and others may have different experiences with this --- is that it just never seems to fully deliver on its promise to me. The biggest example that comes to mind is cell phones. For years, they were claiming "So you get crystal clear reception and blah blah..." I admit that it's gotten much better over the years, but back when they first started claiming that, my cell phone sucked ass! Even today, where the dropouts are much less frequent (but still do occasionally happen), the sound of the cell phone sucks ass compared to my old land line. I feel as though half the time now (especially if I'm talking to someone new) I'm having to piece together what they're saying due to context clues because I can't really make out every word. It's either kind of distorted or just not really clear. Even today, after decades of the industry promising the contrary, in my experience land lines are still infinitely clearer than cell phones. It's not even close.

And then there's the fact that DVDs are so prone to scratching, and CDRs will just "go bad" for whatever reason, and you'll lose all the data on there. (That happened to me several times.) Say what you want about VHS or cassettes, but when I rented a movie back in the day, it wasn't a crapshoot like it is today. I watched the shit out of movies in the 80s on our VCR, and, as long as you didn't put peanut butter in the machine or something, I rarely ever had a problem with tapes not playing. We tried Netflix for a bit (in 2006 or so when they'd ship DVDs in the mail), but we cancelled because literally just about every other DVD was scratched and wouldn't play through the movie without skipping. Granted, renting Blockbuster DVDs from the store wasn't as bad in this regard, but of course, they're gone now. Now we have a Roku box, and although it's much better, there are still times when movies will get pixely and f*ck up for whatever reason. It's not terribly frequent now, but it's 95% more frequent than the times the cable would be out in the 80s---which was basically never unless there had been a storm or something.

So my main complaints about digital are not so much about the sound --- the whole analog warmth vs. sterile digital crap --- I don't care about that really. I'm sure I could be fooled by digital simulations of tube warmth; I know I've been fooled with regards to guitar amp modelers vs. real tube amps. My main complaint is about the reliability of it. I mean ... sure the analog recorders are usually fixer-uppers now, but those machines are 30, 40, or 50 years old. A lot (not all, of course) of this digital crap breaks after a year (if you're lucky)!

And with regards specifically to digital audio recording on a CPU, the compatibility issues, updates, driver issues, etc. have just been a nightmare for me. And that's my whole deal: when everything works the way it's supposed to, it's very powerful. But it's so infrequent (in my experience) that everything is working properly. It's been a series of finding workarounds because of one thing or another.

And that's what I mean by the fact that I don't think digital has lived up to its promise.

And don't even get me started on this stupid f*ckin'g iPhone or iTunes! :)
 
I am with you on all fronts. U nailed it I think with respect to the introduction, integration, and later close to perfecting these digital tools, such as cell phones. Yes, they have come a long way and no still inferior to land line in pure sound and reliability, but tons of other functions, good or bad.

It is a time of flux in my opinion regarding the function and reliability of digital for real commercial purposes. I do thnk it has somewhat to do with the resistance to going digital and devoting the great minds working on analog gear to a pure digital domain to get them closer. If everyone bought in to digital the development would have and would be faster, as there would be people demanding and having money for commercial std digital gear. It is tip heading that way. Not sure digital will ever be the same as analog, but different and much more flexible and I do think in the long run BETTER! Yikes I said it.

I am at this time avoiding buying tons of post processing gear, except for mastering. But even there it will be an interaction of digital and analog domains.

I was thinking even pres are a safe long term investment, but may eventually not be the case. Discrete designs are almost exclusively used in hi end preamps, but ICs have come a long way, not a ton but certainly a great deal are devoting efforts to circuit designs that can make use of improved ICs, but the resistance is and will be strong. Until they know they can get that piece of the market they won't rush to go there. If I could get 32 channels out of a single rack space of TOP Quality sounding IC based pres I am in. They are com in, but not yet for me. They could be cheaper in this aspect using ICs and more could be dedicated to the greater flexibility of the circuit design.

But for now staying away from investing big big money on gear I think will quickly become outdated. Not paranoid about it, as there is essential analog and digital items I need now, but not long ago I was going to save and invest in more compressors, Eqs, limiters and spend big cash. Now just holding tight and enjoying using mostly Elysia outboard comps/eq/dynamics, Nvelope, Xfilter, Xpressor and some plug ins for sure but sparingly.

Same goes for mix control, holding off, but I think between the designs of the SSL nucleus and the Focusrite control, something soon will bridge these two interns of features and hope a company with reliable gear and support. We will see.
 
Next step in mixing may take you beyond 'mouse and keyboard' with projected images that regeister hand/finger movement or even eye movement (like a heads-up display). just moving your fingers on 'virtual surfaces' like a mixing board would be pretty cool. :)
When I first started using Reaper I was 'writing' volumeautomation with the sliders until I realized how much quicker I could do it my mouse-clicking on the automation screen, pulling volumes up and down, creating fades, etc.

As to digital media - DVDs and CDs (and CD-Rs) are slowly disappearing from the scene as more and more people use online downloads and streaming instead of hard copies.
 
Next step in mixing may take you beyond 'mouse and keyboard' with projected images that regeister hand/finger movement or even eye movement (like a heads-up display). just moving your fingers on 'virtual surfaces' like a mixing board would be pretty cool. :)

I certainly understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I mean absolutely no disrespect by this whatsoever, but that sounds absolutely terrible to me. The whole "virtual" thing was "neat" to me for a brief while, but once the novelty wore off (and it wore off pretty quickly), I realized that this whole virtual thing was not for me. It's changed (and is still changing) our way of life in ways that I don't think are beneficial, IMHO.
 
being a scientist, I can say, not far away they will be able to have interfaces that will be controlled by thought commands.

They already put micro chips (electrode arrays) in nonhuman brains and have them more robotic arms without moving, with some training. It works by the output of the motor cortex. At least the impetus for such research is based in neurodegenerative disease, such as Parkinson's but the technology could be applied to this eventually and perhaps without implanting a chip, or scarier, PERHAPS IMPLANTING A CHIP. Imagine if u were somehow motivated to get a chip installed, I mean implanted? Could happen. Makes hacking your computer seem fairly benign.

All this because we need better human interface in studio and home recording! haha!!
 
Yes, I'm already an old-timer, and I'm really just barely hanging on to "technology" at this point. I didn't get a smartphone until last year, and it seems as though I'm constantly having to deal with things on a technological level that I really hate---texting being one of the biggest. I can't stand it. :)
a little off -topic but since you mentioned it ...... I'm a far older old-timer than you being 62 at this point and I can definitively say texting is the freaking most awesome advancement in telephones ever!

You can send and receive important messages even when the music's far too loud to talk and you don't need to actually speak live to someone to be sure they got your message.
You can even have a conversation over an extended time period as you have time to add info.

My agent will text me gigs asking my availability at 9 in the morning when I would otherwise have to get up to answer .... at 11 I can text back which ones I can take ..... at noon I'll see a text confirming ..... all without interrupting what I'm doing but with no stress that if I can't catch him I might miss a gig.

Further ..... if there's ever a dispute I can go back and look up the text and have proof that I was right.

If you're not using texting you are missing out on an absolutely wonderful time saver and organizing tool.
 
a little off -topic but since you mentioned it ...... I'm a far older old-timer than you being 62 at this point and I can definitively say texting is the freaking most awesome advancement in telephones ever!

You can send and receive important messages even when the music's far too loud to talk and you don't need to actually speak live to someone to be sure they got your message.
You can even have a conversation over an extended time period as you have time to add info.

My agent will text me gigs asking my availability at 9 in the morning when I would otherwise have to get up to answer .... at 11 I can text back which ones I can take ..... at noon I'll see a text confirming ..... all without interrupting what I'm doing but with no stress that if I can't catch him I might miss a gig.

Further ..... if there's ever a dispute I can go back and look up the text and have proof that I was right.

If you're not using texting you are missing out on an absolutely wonderful time saver and organizing tool.

I am using it begrudgingly because everyone else uses it. I just hate it. I mainly hate typing on my stupid little iPhone's screen. Much of my resentment of it though also comes from the fact that everyone has their face buried in a little screen throughout their day instead of doing things like looking at the world, interacting with others, and ... oh yeah ... watching the f*cking road while driving!

I realize that it's the not the phones; it's the user. Just like alcohol. It's not the 12-pack that's killing people on the road. It's the idiot who chooses to drink it all and then get behind the wheel. But there are some things that we, as a society overall (not individuals), have demonstrated that we can't really be responsible about. I would include both alcohol and texting in that list.
 
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