What's the worst professional mainstream mix you've heard

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I would like to introduce Mr. Yngwie J. Malmsteen to the conversation, I'm a big fan of his, but even though he has some of which I think are good sounding albums ("The Seventh Sign" for example, I love it but maybe too much delay and/or reverb on the solos) there are albums that sound just like shit, like "Magnum Opus", "Odyssey", but "War to end all wars" is his worst sounding ever, on his last one "Attack!!" the bass is panned way too much to the left and guitars lack crunch totally. He says he records with Marshall amps but I heard rumors that this album was recorded with a Line6 Vetta II head, I don't know, it does sound polished but not full enough, it seems that there's only one rhythm guitar track, keys, one bass track, and drums. Vocals seem to have been recorded first take for all the songs and then backing vocals overdubbed, it doesn't make any justice on Dougie White's awesome vocal abilities... it was mixed by Tom Fletcher though.

There is one album that I worship not only by its sound but by the songs too, this album is called "Walter Giardino Temple" by Walter Giardino, my favourite guitar player ever, it may not be the best sounding album ever but I think it's awesome, guitars sound amazing and that distorted hammond sound build a great sonic wall, ala Deep Purple... just great... check it out if you can, especially the song "Corte Porteño", the album was recorded 100% analog on a Studer machine and mixed by him and sound engineer Mario Altamirano (I know this 'cause I happen to know him after going to so many of his concerts).
This album came out in 1998 and I loved it ever since, but I never heard any professional opinion about it.

Gabriel
 
Clit Torres said:
I definately agree that the lackluster sound of this album made it more interesting, I've always preferred it to their more polished stuff. A lot of people think I'm crazy when I say that, but some bands to me just sound better recorded raw, which would explain why I still listen to the Misfits. :D

I agree. Pinkerton is their best produced album imo, although it is tough to compare it to the blue album since they are so different.
 
oh, and i think the best recorded album ever is Neil Young's "tonight's the night," so you get an idea of my preferences.
 
Fire Dome said:
though not all the way through, in some parts i have to say that Damien Rice's album O is crap. In some parts the vocals are really upfront and then go really distant. He also gets quite over the top towards the end of some songs with distorted vocals etc. Where if it was me the songs don't require it. Plus there is loads of digital clipping coming in all over the place.

Pisses me off cause the sonds are really good.

Dave

completely agree... and, his pitch is off all the time, even on the radio single... i was very surprised

and if anyone wants to hear some AMAZING sounding guitar, pick up anything by bill frisell... but esp the one featuring dave holland and elvin jones... thats some incredible mixing :)
 
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Ok,...

I'm no big Metallica fan, but "St. Anger" really sucked. Did the drummer produce this? The drums are way-"pingy" and out front, at the expense of all the other instruments,... and that's just not right! Especially for a Metallica album. As I've read over the months, St. Anger is an almost universally hated album, and I'm not even the first person on this thread to pan it.

Ok,... there's another one,... Iggy Pop's "Open Up and Bleed", which pretty much describes what it does to your ears. I believe it's a live album, recorded at a club, but it sounds like one of the trashiest bootlegs you'd ever care to hear.

/DA;)
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
It seems the main reason that the pro's "get it wrong" is when the think-they-know-it-all artists step in with their bright ideas or insist on mixing it. Metal is infamous for this, with the illusion of musician as auteur and image of DIY.

I'd pick on more punk music, but anything worth listening to has iffy production because it was made prior to 1990. The modern day "punk" sonically can sound good... but what's the point of that??? Plus, vapid pop-punk is for the pre-teen crowd and where's the fun in listening to that?

Note that I'm not including small budget albums which, by their very nature, often sound compromised prior to recently. It's just not fair to bash on "Killing is My Business" because it was recorded for 4,000 bucks in 1984. That's a crappy budget by today's standard for a full album!

Worst sounding pro albums:

Megadeth "So Far, So Good, So What" - Dumbass Dave fires a string of engineers and producers because he can do it "better." If this is the proof, the proof is not in the pudding this time around. Overly reverberated mush meets dry as toast drums with a weak, buried low end. There is so much delay on this album that I'm surprised the opening chords aren't still ringing out when the album is finished playing.

Metallica "St. Anger" - Literally an abortion forced to unlife. This album should have been shut down by A&R as a total waste of time and money. Nobody seemed really committed to recording or writing this album. It's hard to blame any one member of the Metallica camp for allowing this audio travesty to be born: Bob Rock is guilty because he knows better than this, Lars is guilty for single-handedly forcing the album to get done and having the principle of "abstract and lofi" guide the album as an attempt to be "real"... yeah whatever--with all the hardcore editing the album is about as far from real as it gets.

Korn - Every album of theirs is dominated by horrible clicky drums that sound like they were samples from "...And Justice for All" combined with a scooped bass sound that is all low end mush and poppy clicks, with over-eager guitars eating the entire audio spectrum. Horrible, horrible decisions by the artists that insist it sounds this way.

Thursday "War All the Time" - This is a great album but it sounds like ass. Overly compressed drum overheads, a dull overall texture, a snare that's lost in the mix and lack of clarity mar this otherwise landmark album. Albums like this should be cited as prime examples that being "all analog" does not equal "great sound" even if you have top of the line Neve consoles and great 2" tape machines. Give me John Feldman's ProTools'd to hell and back mixes over this any day of the week.

Pantera "Vulgar Display of Power" - Vulgar Display of Triggering is more like it. All Pantera sounds like crap, but this is the worst. Ultra thin production with the crappiest, fizziest high end imaginable. The drums sound faker than Pamela Anderson's tits, the guitar has the worst buzzy, too much high-end tone imaginable (yet every metal douchebag wants this sound). The entire mix sounds like it was ran thru a BBE Sonic Maximizer set to "kill." Wretched, vile.

Megadeth "Rust in Peace" - Cold and sterile sounds lie within. Absolute lack of balls. Everything seems overly calculated and precise. Sounds ProTools'd to death *before* ProToolsing things to death was cool (or even possible). Not as bad as most on the list, but not a pleasant listening experience.

Eminem - Anything by him or Dr. Dre sounds like crap to me. It was obviously mixed for crappy boom boxes. My teenage brother played it on my 10,000 dollar stereo and it made my hifi system sound like dog piss. Clunky sounding, without even a hint of lofi sampler coolness that most bad hip hop productions have. Sterile. Obviously a product designed to be an self-consciously and unfriendly unit shifter.

Winger "Winger" - God this album sucks on every level. First off, it's goddamn Winger, and secondly it sounds like wheezing anemic pap. Takes the lifetime achievement award for sounding overdone and over-processed. More fake than Paris Hilton (in both body and spirit). Yet another production that sounds like it was put through an aural exciter set to "11", but then it was bussed to a Lexicon reverb unit for good measure. Vomit inducing.

Flotsam & Jetsam "When the Storm Comes Down" - While their first Electra release sounded pretty kickin', this 1990 release should be legendary for badness on all levels, especially songwriting and production. Suffers from too much glossy production and a buzzy guitar tone. While some great sounding albums ("Appetite for Destruction") suffer from too much cowbell syndrome, this album definately suffers from too much guitar syndrome. The shrill high end on the clean guitars will take your head off, so be careful when listening.

Def Leppard "Pyromania" - Okay, this album sounds brilliant except for one little thing--the drums feel like crap. Granted, they sound excellent but the manner in which Mutt Lange decided to record them, namely one *drum* at a time in seperate takes to a 'click track' drum machine line absolutely mars the feel of the drums. Lesson learned: sometimes feel is more important than sonics. A lesson he obviously learned when it came time to record "Hysteria" as that is one of the best sounding productions I can think of.

Metallica "...And Justice For All" - James and Lars also decide they can mix it better than anyone else and decide that the bass guitar should be set to 0 on the mixer. Kirk's leads are sour sounding and lack any kind of organic tone (goddamn ADA MP1 as usual--the leading guitar anti-tone device of the late 80's). The drums are thinner than Kate Moss on a coke-induced hunger strike. This album set the template for crappy sounding metal (and guitar) for years to come.

Your opinion kind of comes out a little more than your knowledge on this post. I don't think your grasping the signature sounds of some of these artists. For example, you complain about "clicking" on Korn's albums??? First of all, they tune in a. secondly, fieldy uses double slapping tecniques (and i dont know if you understand this), but slapping tecniques usually result in a small rattle, especially when you are tuned in a. I could use more examples, but i think you get the point.
 
Worst sounding albums ever:

Def Leppard "Hysteria", background vocals sounds like they've gone though a chain of 20 Behringer Ultrafex units. Guitars crappy, all crappy. I could easily have done it better myself. In my sleep.

All albums that are mastered by new trend which says "digital clipping is ok, just never go below -0.5dB"

Anything from TOTO.
 
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matt_macfarlane said:
Cloneboy -
are you including Dre's original "Chronic" and Snoop's "Doggystyle" albums in your concensus that all his music (that you've heard) sounds like shit? I agree that Eminem's albums sound sterile and plastic, but i like the fact that they explore huge distances between loudness & silence (maybe only because they can afford a lower noise floor than I can). Example: the song on the Marshall Mathers LP that goes "youuu don't - wanna fuck with shaaady..." great jumps between loud & whispery. But yes, all Dre's drums of late have had the envelopes turned down so fine on them that they sound like they came out of a plastic can.

but.. The Chronic & Doggystyle are big, bassy, warm, & full of mirth. Same with the old NWA shit, a big Public-Enemy style analog vibe. Not having a $10,000 system, I'd be interested in your take on how those sound in yours.

Just about everything said in this post is true. That song you mention is a great example of Dre's good production side. I have to admit not liking the way he/Em have been taking samples and mangling them the way they do...

As far as Cloneboy judging Dre on Encore...that's like seeing Barry Bonds chase a slider out of the strike zone and saying, "From everything I've seen, he'll never amount to anything in this league." Dre's production list is looooong.
 
"M&M doesn't write 50's hooks, how could he have you heard Encore? M&M has to be the worse hook writer for a commerical artist makes me wanna puke. "

The guy sells millions of CDs. How can anyone say he can't write hooks? I mean you may not like the hooks he comes up with, but you don't sell that many albums if you can't write hooks, it goes without saying. The hooks he comes up with get in your brain, I don't even like rap, but i remeber Eminen's stuff, he's definitely got something (personaly i think it's a sense of humour!).
 
Yes!!!

Cloneboy Studio said:
Personally I liked Metallica's sound on "Ride the Lightning" best. Kirk's lead tone on that album was ripping, fat and real. In fact, I prefer the production on RTL over any other Metallica album

AMEN!!!!

...And I thought I was the only one who felt this way. :rolleyes:

-mr moon
 
I happen to have the one, ultimately BAD Album.

someone mentioned THURSDAy before, but if they think that's bad, they need to hear "Tell All Your Friends" by Taking Back SUnday.

arguably worse than micing a dog taking a poop!

bad conversion everywhere, it sounds like your listening through a tv!
guitars sound like junk, way too much reverb over everything, and autotune auto tune autotune!!

btw metallica rocks despite the st. anger mistake! ha!
 
glynb said:
"M&M doesn't write 50's hooks, how could he have you heard Encore? M&M has to be the worse hook writer for a commerical artist makes me wanna puke. "

The guy sells millions of CDs. How can anyone say he can't write hooks? I mean you may not like the hooks he comes up with, but you don't sell that many albums if you can't write hooks, it goes without saying. The hooks he comes up with get in your brain, I don't even like rap, but i remeber Eminen's stuff, he's definitely got something (personaly i think it's a sense of humour!).

I completely agree. I don't like rap and I never will, but I am not so narrow minded that I cannot recognize the talent of a fellow artist, not just with rap, but any kind of music... except maybe techno.
 
KonradG said:
Your opinion kind of comes out a little more than your knowledge on this post. I don't think your grasping the signature sounds of some of these artists. For example, you complain about "clicking" on Korn's albums??? First of all, they tune in a. secondly, fieldy uses double slapping tecniques (and i dont know if you understand this), but slapping tecniques usually result in a small rattle, especially when you are tuned in a. I could use more examples, but i think you get the point.

Maybe you'd like to make an *objective* study of why one album sounds better than another?

Good luck!

Of *course* it's opinion oriented. It was a question of opinion.

I take it you missed my reference to hating slappin' and poppin' basslines right? It sounds like crap and defeats the purpose of the BASS. Bass holds the low end... slappin' and poppin' and the bassist equivalent of mastubatory guitar wanking.

I could use more examples, but I think you get the point. :)
 
i happen to hate korn's sound, especially that rattling bass. just sounds like he's playing with rubber bands or something. he may have a technique for that, but it definitely doesn't work for me.

i'm particularly unfond of st.anger and and justice for all by metallica, in terms of production (well i dont really dig the tunes on st. anger, justice was an awesome album). when i turn justice up in the car or wherever, there's always this annoying whoomp sound. there's this kid on the metallica boards who redid justice with his bass added. i listened to some of it and it was pretty good. but anyway, the drums were well played but i don't like their sound either. the black album was/is awesome because the drums sound so "alive" if that makes sense. st. anger is just overall annoying, the pinging sound just doesn't work and i wish metallica wouldnt try to go with whatever the latest cool trend in music is. they're supposed to go against the grain.
 
philpereira said:
and justice for all by metallica, in terms of production (well i dont really dig the tunes on st. anger, justice was an awesome album).

I loved Justice, mostly Hetfield's guitar and vocals are just perfect. Maybe the purists liked Puppets better, I felt like Justice was basically the same album, just polished a bit more.

Ulrich's drums on Justice were the first real clicky kick I remember. It was cool at the time, especially when you were watching "One" on the Headbangers' Ball in the TV lounge at your dorm.

Hammett has always been annoying so I don't know what to say about that.

"Blackened" is still one of my all time favorite tunes.


Edit: Metallica also needs to be given credit for opposing all the guitar god crap in the '80s. I remember one interview in a guitar rag where Hetfield was asked what innovation he'd like to see on guitar (ie Yngwie, Vai-style playing) and he replied "I'd like a beer holder for my guitar".
 
Justice is a great album marred by bad production. While the tone of the guitar is pretty awesome, it takes up too much real estate in the mix. I have no problems with the vocal recording/mix. The drums just lack that big sound, and the lack of bass hurts the feel of the album.

Puppets doesn't sound right to me because there's this weird reverb on everything that clashes. Almost like they put a different preset on everything. Amazing songs though!

My main beef with Justice is how *everyone* wanted to sound like that because copying Metallica was the only thing the 'also ran' thrash metal bands were capable of doing. At least Anthrax, Slayer and Megadeth kept their own signature sounds instead of copying Metallica.
 
yeah, if you listen to the live versions of justice songs, they sound so much cooler. when bob rock first started producing the band, he wanted to be able to capture their live sound on an album. more bass and more drums. he succeeded on the black album. that album will hold up for a while in terms of quality (in my opinion)
 
i won't go into all the bad mixes i've heard i.e. Sour Mash, but i do know about one major problem that I'm pretty sure happened in mastering. Pick up the album Street Dreams by Fabolous. Track 16 is supposed to be a track called "Wake Up", but instread it's the last 5 second fade out of track 15. There's an aftermarket sticker on the case informing us that track 16 doesn't appear on the album. Is there a reason for this, or is it just a mastering error that they didn't wanna admit to? it's been bugging, somebody please respond.
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
Thursday "War All the Time" - This is a great album but it sounds like ass. Overly compressed drum overheads, a dull overall texture, a snare that's lost in the mix and lack of clarity mar this otherwise landmark album. Albums like this should be cited as prime examples that being "all analog" does not equal "great sound" even if you have top of the line Neve consoles and great 2" tape machines. Give me John Feldman's ProTools'd to hell and back mixes over this any day of the week.

i just want to say that i agree with most of what you said in that extremely long post, but i strongly disagree with this comment. i think that album sounded great, but had terrible songs on it. well actually, terrible lyrics, but that sex on the radio song was both musically and lyrically bad. I loved the production on that cd, but i really really hate the songs.

just a side note......did you know that fletcher.......the fletcher that posts here, worked on that album? He said something about it on here once, then i noticed in the linear notes that he did. I think it's cool that guys like him come to this site.

and the new a perfect circle cd of cover songs is sooooooooooooo extremely terrible i can not put it into words. I can't remember the name of the newest real cd.......i think it might be called 13th step, but i'm not sure. that sounded real good/cool, i think.
 
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Gotta agree about "War All the Time", the album sounds like a mess. It sounds like a major label record trying to sound like an indie record. Never mind that the bands songwriting is inconsistant and meandering, the thing has no meat. It sounds scooped out in the middle and hollow. The guitars sound splashy and the whole thing lacks atmosphere. And would it kill the singer to back the fuck off the microphone! It just sounds anemic somehow. I don't know how, but I guess if I did, I'd be a pro and not just a wannabe.
 
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