What's the ideal computer to get for recording?

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I need some advice/info on what to get for a good computer

1)Processor/speed

2)soundcard

3)RAM

4)monitor

5)speakers

6)video card

7)hard drive

8)brand name (dell, gateway, etc.)

9)operating system

10)what's the cost? I need as low as possible price possibly $800-$1400 range

11)anything else?
 
Hmm, lemme see what i can do, im going to give you an outline for a good PC for recording, at a good price.
The best way to look at it is to look down a list of say, amd XP CPU prices, and look at the top of the line one, then the next step down, and look at the price increments it drops in, and keep looking down the list. The first few drops will be significant, and then the price difference will start to become minimal. So you pick the Cpu in the middle, where the one below it is not much cheaper, but the one above it is quite a bit more (dont get top of the line, you pay and arm and a leg for "state of the art technology" but it may only be the difference of 100-200mhz, which you wont notice).

CPU - So i'd Get a new AMD XP CPU, i dunno exactly what the fastest one is out, but try the outline i gave you above and find the one that suits you.

Soundcard - If you browse through these forums for a bit, do a couple searches, you'll find a ton of good cards, and you'll get really confused. Basically you have to find out exactly what you want, and then it gets a lot easier. Depending on how much you want to spend, how many inputs/outputs you want, etc... But i really like the Midiman Delta cards, the 44 has 4 ins/outs, the 1010 has 8 ins/outs. The echo layla, delta 1010, rme multiface, ardvark q10, protools digi 001, uhh.. theres more i don't remember off hand.

Ram - Well, just get the fastest ram possible, for the AMD get ddr ram, i think you can get pc3100, or 2700 or something like that, whatever is fastest. I would get at LEAST 512 megs, a GIG would be nice.

Speakers - for recording, you want to stay as far away from regular computer speakers as possible. You need monitors, and probably a couple pairs of headphones. Sennheiser, akg, they make pretty decent cans, and you can get some cheap ones for tracking. And for monitors, it really depends on your budget, but, i would stay with ACTIVE monitors if i were you. They have built in amplifiers, so you don't need to buy an amp. The yorkville ysmip's are about 800 Canadian, the event 20/20 BAS are about 1400, and the mackie HR824's are about 2600. All excellent monitors, but you also have other choices, you really have to go and listen to them all, and let your ears pick.

video card - You can get a nice geforce 4, and have awesome graphics acceleration, but if its an audio computer you don't need that eh? ATI has much better 2d display than geforce. So for regular windows use, text, web browsing, etc.. is all a lot more sharp and clear. So i'd get an ATI card with Dual display, i don't know the model off hand.

hard drive - you can go for a nice fast scuzzy drive, scsi, but i wouldn't, i think its way too expensive. You can get a couple of 80 or 100 gig drives, 7200rpms, for cheap. an 18 gig scsi drive might cost you more than both drives.

brand name - don't even go there! All those prebuilt computers should be avoided. You want your computer built custom, with all the components you want, you can usually get one built for a lot cheaper but other computer companies. In vancouver canada, near where i live, www.atic.ca has a good prices. Check around your locals stores, and some online stores, and check www.pricewatch.com, or newegg.com. If you can get a good price at dell, custom built with every component you want, then go for it, but be weary of some of those other companies (compaq, ibm, i'd avoid them like the plague).

operating system - I wouldn't make that call unless i knew the exact sound card you have. But im using xp right now and its quite good and stable, i like it more than 98, i have less problems. But i hear win 2k is also very stable and good for audio. Just check the card your looking into, and their driver support.


monitor - Flat screen lcd displays are nice, but not in your budget, and very expensive. The larger displays give off some high frequency noises , and if your recording in the same room as your computer, its always a good idea to turn your monitor off, but, i hear this isn't an issue with the flat screen lcds. I'd get a 19inch if i could, lots of space to see what your doing. Viewsonic makes excellent monitors at a good price.

If you follow my guide, basically common sense i guess, don't get top of the line, but don't settle for crap, and you can have a very good system for 1400 US easy. You might beable to do it for 1400 canadian but you'd have to be more budget minded. Oh, and the good sound card could cost damn near as much as your computer, and the same with studio monitors, i usually consider them to be outside of the computer. If you can't afford decent studio monitors, save a little long and maybe get some cheaper ones, like some studiophiles or something like that. And for the soundcard, if you can't afford one of the good recording cards, an maudio audiophile is decent and fairly cheap. It has a stereo mic input (use a splitter to get 2 inputs) you could only track 2 tracks at once, but its a lot better quality than a sblive. Anything about that your looking at minimum 400 Canadian for a sound card...

hmm, well, thats not very well composed, and a bit of a mess, but theres info in there.
 
there's nothing wrong with going with a athlonXP system. i run one with out any problems.. and its faster and more stable as my moms Dual 1gig G4...

some ppl have problems with athlon and atlonXP daws.. but hey ppl have problems with intel and mac too.. its life..nothing is gonna work perfect
 
c9-2001 said:
there's nothing wrong with going with a athlonXP system. i run one with out any problems.. and its faster and more stable as my moms Dual 1gig G4...

some ppl have problems with athlon and atlonXP daws.. but hey ppl have problems with intel and mac too.. its life..nothing is gonna work perfect

If you look at the other links to tomshardware.com in the post from Harmony Central.com you will actually see that the 2+ Ghz P4's outperform the comparable Athlons.

I have been using Intel CPU's and motherboard combinations for the last 5 years and NEVER had issues. The same cannot be said for friends of mine using AMD systems.
 
I'm running an AMD XP 2000+ on a SIS 745 based board.

No problems at all.

The heat issue has always been a non issue. Tom must be sliding posting shit like that.

Components are designed to operate within set parameters. I wouldn't fire up my car and then proceed to drain all the coolant out of the radiator and wait for the head to melt. Who would?

Although, it's an aluminium head on my car, so it wouldn't be a good idea.

Now if it were a Ford tempo, the head would probably survive. But what is the point?
 
well, the thunderbirds out performed the p4's, i don't see how an xp would be slower. The clock speed of the p4's is indeed higher, but who cares. Im sticking with amd. And i have had NO instability problems. I don't see how using an amd chipset as opposed to using an intel would make any difference. I think the problems would occur with sound cards and video cards and irq's and all that crap.
There is that problem with kt133 boards and sblive (right here), but i don't know why people think p4's are so much more stable, and i don't know what peoples definitions of stable are when they say that. They are the same thing and do the same thing, its not like the difference between mac and pc, or a different operating system.

go with what makes you happy, and read as much as you can before hand, but when people say that a p4 is more "stable", its not always true. I could say my amd is more stable than pentiums, because i've never had any problems, but i won't because i know an intel chip would be the same.
 
Great post by Ambi. The only thing I'd add is that the first thing you should decide is what soundcard/software combination you want. Once you have picked out a soundcard, e-mail the manufacturer and ask them what CPUs and motherboards they recommend for their card. Some soundcard manufacturers have problems with certain CPU/mobo combinations. So checking with the soundcard manufacturer before designing the rest of your system will save you a lot of headaches down the road.
 
brzilian said:
I would think twice about AMD systems. They may seem attractive in the begginning with the low price, but the headaches you may have to deal with affterwards will cost you more in the long run.

Read a similar thread over at Harmony-Central.com:

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130654

Pay special attention to Zing!'s post and watch the video he links to on Tomshardware.com

Man, I've been using Athalon based systems (3 of 'em) for four years now and never had any probs except when trying older intel based hardware (old Echo darla). My latest is a 1ghz KG7 raid with 512 DDR and 180 gb of HD space. This system is rock solid with Vegas and my Echo Mia and handles anything I can throw at it. Don't let intel bias dupe you out of the extra cash.
 
I see there's an Intel vs. AMD thing coming up here...

Kelby adds a good point: When you buy your DAW, go for the soundcard first. Or at least figure out which one you're gonna get, and then work out the rest of the components based on the system requirements of the card.

This also means you may have to get an Intel-based system anyway. Let me explain...

I've been using AMD systems since 1999. Never used Intel, probably never will - too expensive for me, not enough performance. brzilian makes a good point about all 2 GHz+ P4s being faster than Athlon XPs at similar speeds. That is sometimes true and sometimes not, based on what you are talking about - in some benchmarks, AMD will win, and in some, Intel will win. In everyday performance, there will be negligible difference anyway. And to top it, a P4 2.26 costs quite a bit more than the XP2200+.

Be that as it may, most hardware today (including pro- and semi-pro cards) are tested on Intel hardware FIRST (unless it's meant for a Mac, in which case it's tested on Mac first), and therefore there is guaranteed compatibility with Intel chipsets and Intel CPUs. a lot of cards still have issues with Via chipsets (even those for Intel CPUs) and therefore AMD gets knocked down the consideration set even further. this has been changing with Sis and nVidia making chipsets for AMD, but it is still a way away from a pro studio...

On the heat issue, after the Tom's video a lot has happened. It's quite an old article and since then AMD has implemented thermal protection with onboard thermal diodes, though not as all-encompassing as Intel's, still works satisfactorily. That is now a non-issue. It was an issue with overclockers who put heatsinks big enough to sink a ship on their CPUs, and broke off the tiny socket lugs and fried their CPUs as a result. Everyday users are not faced with any such problems except due to freak accidents. And lemme see people who can say that not a single Intel CPU has died from heat...

Remember Intels run just as hot as AMDs. The P4 puts out a lot more power than the AMD top runners, the reason noone mentions heat as problem for Intel is because at higher temperatures, the CPU begins to throttle. Which means at 60 C, the 2.26 P4 is actually running internally at a lower clock rate and the performance drops off.

Interesting point: "I wouldn't fire up my car and then proceed to drain all the coolant out of the radiator and wait for the head to melt. Who would? ". Try someone named Tom??

On specific recommendations:

CPU: AMD XP 2100+ (dump the stock heatsink, get a nice quiet little cooler off of newegg.com, I'll be willing to give specific recommendations)

RAM: 768 MB DDR memory: PC 2700/CAS2

Mobo: Asus A7V333

Video card: Asus v8420 or any card based on nVidia Ti4200 or Mx 440. the reason I don't mention ATI is that there are many driver issues with ATI. Most of these have been fixed as at date, but there are still issues with disappearing mouse pointers, crashing and image tearing in 2D and 3D (The next OS from M$ is probably gonna be in 3D, so you need some 3D power). Again, nVidia is the safer bet for graphics. If you wanna Radeon, you can't beat the Radeon 8500 LE 128 MB, these are about $120 at most places and are a great deal...

OS: XP or 2000 definitely. I prefer 2000, there are those who prefer XP, I guess it's a dead heat. Whichever one you like the colour of better, I guess, then.

Disks: SCSI for audio, IDE for system and OS, or as said earlier, a couple of 80 gig drives configured in RAID. The WD caviars are supposed to be nice, the Maxtor DiamondMax drives are good too, I use a coupla Seagate Barracudas and they're virtually silent, if not the performance champs... Whatever suits your pocket. Remember disks are still the slowest component in the system. You will notice the effects of an Ultra SCSI 160 disk much better than moving from XP 2100+ to 2200+...
 
Take what Sangram, Kelby and I posted and i think you have a good outline. Definatly pick your softwear and soundcard and then check for compatibility. I briefly mentioned this before but i guess i didn't stress its importance. Just look around this board for a while and you'll read some horror stories about soundcard/softwear problems.

And, yea, VIA chipsets have been known to have some problems. One noted problem is with the Via 133 chipsets and sblives. I have this setup, and it messed up my hard drive a bit. It gives you bad sectors and makes it appear as though the harddrive is failing. I've known a LOT of people who have had several replacement drives from IBM (the IBM deskstars seemed to be prone to this problem) and they kept on getting the same problem. Rumours were going around about there being a bad batch of the IBM drives, or something about them being stuck in customs for a long time and melting or something (also something about a new pixie dust technology). But anyways, turned out it was the via chipset, and i just had to flash my motherboard BIOS, and then format my drive and start clean. I was lucky because i didn't actually loose any important files, programs just stoped working though. I've known people to loose whole folders of files, or even their whole drives..

so if you have that setup, watch out. But ive heard the new via chipsets (newest) are relativly problem free... BUT the world of audio recording always seems to have a way of introducing new problems doesn't it..
 
Welcome to the board. Your thread seems to have been somewhat hijacked :eek: ;)
These guys give great advice. Mine is to do some searches through some past threads about what you're asking. There's a wealth of info already posted about exactly what you need. Budget is a big issue and your recording system (souncard and software) is another. Dig around and get an idea what you want to do and what you can afford to do, then ask some more specific questions. Good luck! :D

BTW I use Athlons at home and a P4 at my studio and used Xeons at work and I love them all! ;)

bball_1523 said:
I need some advice/info on what to get for a good computer

1)Processor/speed

2)soundcard

3)RAM

4)monitor

5)speakers

6)video card

7)hard drive

8)brand name (dell, gateway, etc.)

9)operating system

10)what's the cost? I need as low as possible price possibly $800-$1400 range

11)anything else?
 
brzilian said:
I would think twice about AMD systems. They may seem attractive in the begginning with the low price, but the headaches you may have to deal with affterwards will cost you more in the long run.

Read a similar thread over at Harmony-Central.com:

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130654

Pay special attention to Zing!'s post and watch the video he links to on Tomshardware.com

Yeah, because I always run my computer without the heatsink and fan.
 
I wouldn't even bother watching that video. It's all old, irrelevant news.

I wouldn't buy a KT133 board either... but nobody buys those any more. The problems of the KT133 series are long gone. Get a KT333 board. (don't waste your money on KT400, it's actually worse performance) I'd get the second latest Athlon XP CPU (always a good price point to stick with) At the moment, I think that's the XP 2600+. I'd also go SCSI for the audio drive and IDE for the primary drive. I'd also go GeForce4 Ti 4200 for the card. And I'd use XP Pro, but disable all the "fluff". I've found that with XP I can have a cleaner install because it comes with more features built in, so I don't have to use as much third-party software.


WATYF
 
I built the Roll Your Own Thunderbird featured at Prorec.com. Check the archives, it's not on the front page anymore. This was in January. It was a bit dated then and is absolutely ancient now. Know what? It works great and the components are so far from the cutting edge that I bet you'd meet budget rather easily. You've probably figured out that sound card/interface and monitors are gonna set you back some. My combination - Omnistudio and Yamaha MSP-5s - was near $1000!

Nobody ever mentions how expensive the bloody software is! There are cheaper alternatives but you can very easily blow through another $1000 on multitracking SW and plugins (FX) and VSTi's (SW "instruments"). Hope I didn't bust your bubble. :(

Good luck on your adventure.

lou
 
WATYF, do you think the performance jump is worth the price jump?

Maxtor Typhoon 73G Atlas68 10Krps 68pin, LVD, U160 - $790 Canadian.

Adaptec AVA-29160 SCSI-U160 (160M/Sec) PCI (64 Bit) (Card w/ drivers) - $295


i don't know if you need that controller card, im not really up on my SCSI drives cause ive never had the dough to buy one, but the equivalant in a regular IDE drive is as follows (well not equivalant, slower, but same space)

Maxtor 80.0G ATA133 7200rpm 2M DiamondMax Plus8 6E080L0 Hydraulic - $165 Canadian

personally i'd use that extra 1000 dollars and get a Delta 1010
 
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