What's the difference between the Neumann U47 and the U87?

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I've enjoyed reading this thread... I'm headed downtown to see if I can hear some ADK mic's. Thank you gentleman.
 
QUOTE]there are other folks out there (Claus, Tracy et al) making great mics[/QUOTE]

I did not know Klaus was now making microphones. What is he making?

Stephen Paul also fits very nicely into this arena as well.

Show me another mic company that started out in China that is now building mics in the US
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Both the Stephen Paul Microphones and the new Studio Projects E Series are being built in the USA...Not China. You will see the first E Series mic in a few months...Built in the USA! That was for you C7!!!!!

I am taking strides to add Factory work
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While we can't afford our own factory, we have employed local assembly houses to do assembly of these mics for us. We are keeping our labor local right here in Southern California. Oh yeah, we have our own techs on staff to do our own repairs. Yeap, they are American workers.

Seriously though, I am very curious to know what mics Klaus is building? :)
 
alanhyatt said:
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Both the Stephen Paul Microphones and the new Studio Projects E Series are being built in the USA...Not China. You will see the first E Series mic in a few months...Built in the USA! That was for you C7!!!!!
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When!



Don
 
alanhyatt said:
Seriously though, I am very curious to know what mics Klaus is building?
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The Brauner VM-1 KHE [Klaus Heyne Edition]... while it's based on the VM-1, it's miles different... sorta like the way a "Shelby Cobra" was based on a 'Ford Mustang'.
 
tigerbomb said:
Well, I'll be damned.

It sure didn't take long to degenerate this thread from talking about some of the finer (or finest) microphones ever made to stereotyping Asians, did it?

Some people will preach about mics they know little about.
Some people will preach about countries/people they know nothing about.
And some people just keep telling their opinions as if it's the truth.

How sad.

Now Larry, I don't think it's much use explaining anything to those who have a fixed opinion on a matter. This I know as truth because, I'm a first generation Asian who has had to deal with friggin' stereotypes all my life.

It doesn't matter how well you articulate what should be an obvious fact to some. They just don't like whatever it is -- your company using foreign labor. You may argue a point and prove yourself correct, but they'll find another reason just as quickly. You may win a battle or two, but you'll never win the war.

It's like that piece of American history. Actively importing Asian labor to build inter-continnental railroads, reap all the benefits of it, then turning around and make a big deal out of these Asians as "Yellow Peril".

You know, anytime I see people preaching how Asians are poor and work like slaves for no money and take away jobs from Americans, I always find that so F'ing hillarious. Damn whiners.

Think about it. Competition is good for the consumers, and as a result, those who aren't competitive will be forced out, right? Isn't that esseneitally why Mars Music went out of business? I mean, y'all voted with your money, didn't you? Who's boycotting Banjo Center because they cheated and put Mars out of business?

So, then, why is it bad to have the same thing at a global scale?

You just can't sit on your sorry ass and whine that Asians are catching up to you and eroding your market share. Business is competitive. If you want to stay in the game, you gotta make an extra effort and stay ahead of the game. If you don't, you end up like Mars and K-mart. That is the American way.

Many many many American companies take advantage of cheaper cost of manufacturing in Canada, Mexico and Asia. Well, friggin' aye, I say more power to them.

I think ADK makes fine products. Same with Studio Projects. You guys serve the market at certain price segments, and try to stay competitive. That's a commendable approach to a business, especially considering the very tough nature of the market.

And to think, all this for an effin GERMAN microphone thread. How ironic.
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Calm down, I only answered a point somewhere in this sad thread. We, the American people, the buying public, created this situation of overseas manufacturing. No one else. It starts and stops here in America. We want great things for a bargain.

As for the Asian thing, my wife is Asian and I spend some of the year there. The work culture is totally different there. Families work together all the time. It is not "child labour" as we think of it here. Labour in most of Asia is far cheaper than in the US. In most of Asia, old TVs, radios, shoes, and everything else you can think of is repaired far cheaper than replaced. We throw away so much good stuff here because our labour rate is way too high. Different cultures period. You can argue forever, I know exactly what I am talking about 'cause I live it.
 
jet-rocker said:
If you can afford 'made in the USA', that's the way to go. Plug your $$$ into our own economy.
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You guys do realize that this is not an "American" board, right? Nor does the internet belong to Americans. I hope you also realize that the 95+% of people in the world who are not American really don't give a damn about plugging $$$ into the U.S. economy.

Just a thought.
 
jslator: Thought about that after I posted. Duh....... Anyway, that's just my personal philosophy.

-Jtt
 
I'm proud to be an American... but, I don't care where I buy from... just as long as it's well made, the price is right, and it works great. I have friends from all over the world and I'm more than happy that this is an international BBS. :)
 
Fletcher said:
The Brauner VM-1 KHE [Klaus Heyne Edition]... while it's based on the VM-1, it's miles different... sorta like the way a "Shelby Cobra" was based on a 'Ford Mustang'.
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Fletcher,

I know Klaus does modifications to Neuman's and Brauner's, but to be specific, he mods them, he does not "build" them.....

There is no Klaus Microphone line. Perhaps a bit anal on my part, but he is not manufacturing a line of mics. :)
 
Henri Devill said:
When!

Don
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Well we have ordered parts and are building now. Tooling is almost done for the windscreens, and the bodies have already been proto typed.

We expect the Stephen Paul mics to be late Fall (god willing), and the new Studio Projects E Series to show one or two prototypes at AES New York. All of these new mics are made in America.....

We have been working on this for some time now, just mostly keeping it a secret.
 
acorec said:
In most of Asia, old TVs, radios, shoes, and everything else you can think of is repaired far cheaper than replaced. We throw away so much good stuff here because our labour rate is way too high.
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Uhhhhh, old radios, old TV's... shoes... they can still be repaired by a fairly normal repair station anywhere in the world... however, "not so old" radios, and TV's are beyond a bitch to repair.

When there is 'surface mount technology' involved, it's way cheaper and way easier to just replace the circuit board than to even contemplate "component level repair"... which I reckon can be seen as "repair". With computers it's much less expensive [no matter where you are in the world] to 'remove and replace' boards than to do 'component level' repair. It's the way they were designed, it's why they can be manufactured as inexpensively as they are.

As for shoes... I've had the same pair of 'engineers boots' for well over a decade... on their 4th heel and 3rd sole. I go through at least one pair of Converse "Chuck Taylors" every year because they ain't worth having repaired [and when I'm done with a pair, they're pretty much unrepairable, like the canvass is shreaded!!]
 
Fletcher said:
Uhhhhh, old radios, old TV's... shoes... they can still be repaired by a fairly normal repair station anywhere in the world... however, "not so old" radios, and TV's are beyond a bitch to repair.

When there is 'surface mount technology' involved, it's way cheaper and way easier to just replace the circuit board than to even contemplate "component level repair"... which I reckon can be seen as "repair". With computers it's much less expensive [no matter where you are in the world] to 'remove and replace' boards than to do 'component level' repair. It's the way they were designed, it's why they can be manufactured as inexpensively as they are.

As for shoes... I've had the same pair of 'engineers boots' for well over a decade... on their 4th heel and 3rd sole. I go through at least one pair of Converse "Chuck Taylors" every year because they ain't worth having repaired [and when I'm done with a pair, they're pretty much unrepairable, like the canvass is shreaded!!]
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I know it is hard for people to understand, but, in america, from the trash people leave on the streets for pickup, I know people who have furnished their WHOLE HOUSE!. In Thailand (where my wife is from), I never, ever saw anything but "real" trash on the street. Not one little stick of wood, no clothes, nothing period. They repair/refurbish everything you can imagine. There are so many shops that sell used everything. Like USA around 70 years ago. It really is a totally different thing over there. We have all of our watches fixed there and batteries changed once a year. Cost to change a battery? $.60 (including battery).
 
jet-rocker said:

Seriously, you seem like a good guy who cares about music and his product.
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Just a note about this statement. I think this is what separates Boeing and some chinese microphone manufacturers from ADK, SP and maybe some others.

We have people who are familiar with high end product and know that alternatives can be made at lower price points.
The Chinses people are just as capable of making really high quality parts...you just have to ask them to and sometimes show them what you want. Just like everyone else right?
If Fletcher wanted to he could peddle the Radio Shack line with new stickers. He doesn't because he cares about audio.
He cares about the results rather than what kind of paper the specs were printed on. I do see Alan and Larry showing the same kind of care for audio, but there are some growing pains and old wounds from the origins of the debate surrounding Chinese manufactured mics. Times are changing and we have to move past old arguments and re-evaluate our perceptions through diligent testing.
Im pretty sure most of us change our opinions of products over time. There is the instant love of a product because its new and we paid money for it, or the instant hatred because of failed expectations. Im learning not to be hasty in my comments or my analysis of any gear. When I buy a new product, I won't be able to say what how well it works until Ive worked with it in several occasions. Listing the pro's and cons and notes and sticking them in the case the product gets stored in... a history of its usage and performance.

Someone once said there is not such thing as bad audio gear, just poor judgments in application.

As long as there are people who care, there will always be hope.

SoMm
 
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