What's the deal with Alesis??

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Does anyone know where I can find some info on what's happening with Alesis? Are they (or did they) file bankruptcy? I heard they merged with Harmon but I can't find any concret info on the subject. I found that they have a huge new product line on the website but people are also saying not to buy Alesis becasue it might be hard to find replacement parts and that service will be hard to find in the near future. I'm thinking of getting the HD24 but not if the company is going under.

Thanks,
RF
 
Oh man... have you been under a rock??????????? ;)

The Alesis bankruptcy-thing was well over a year and a half ago, and they never went bankrupt, they got bought out about a year ago by Numark (the DJ gear company.)
 
No.... I haven't been under a rock! I may have been hit in the head by a few though!! :D :rolleyes: ;)

I kind of thought that all the stuff people were telling me was crap! I heard Chapter 11, they merged with Harmon and all kinds of wacky stories!

With the new gear, is the quality better than it used to be in general?

Thanks for clearing it up BB.

RF
 
Same as before .... Alesis has some really good stuff (HD24, Masterlink, ADATs....) and some really bad stuff (3630, MEQ230, Nano-anything, etc...)

:)
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Same as before .... Alesis has some really good stuff (HD24, Masterlink, ADATs....) and some really bad stuff (3630, MEQ230, Nano-anything, etc...)

:)

Hey, don't knock the nano-reverb!

Its awesome for adding a little reverb to the mix for the vocal booth :)

heh-heh.

Glad to see you're still poking around here Bluebear.
 
I agree that Alesis does produce some very nice equipment.

What puzzles me is that on the low end or their equipment line the reviews that some products get give the impression that the stuff wouldn't be suitable for a desk-top two-track cassette deck.

I can see catering to a wide range of professionals and hobbyists, but why such a wide gap in the quality and performance between the two lines?

I understand price point and I understand affordable. The RNC is affordable, excellent quality commpression. What happened with the 3630?

Are there other crappy pieces of gear I should be wary of from this company?

I have a Midiverb IV that has been an excellent multi-purpose effects device and have never had a bit of trouble with it, and it sounds great for its' price point.

I also had their very first 8-bit Midiverb back in the '80's, and other than the noise, the reverbs and other effects sounded great for their time.
 
Sennheiser said:
I agree that Alesis does produce some very nice equipment.


I understand price point and I understand affordable. The RNC is affordable, excellent quality commpression. What happened with the 3630?

Are there other crappy pieces of gear I should be wary of from this company?


Of Alesis gear, I own the HD24, an XT &LX ADAT recorders, Studio 24 and 32 boards and the 3630.
The 3630 provides way too many sound artifacts during comp'ing
&limiting of which it's only useful purpose is creating idiotic sound efx when a bass is run thru it or controlling annoying "hiss" produced by most drum machines. I now use an RNC,Beh Multi,Auto and Composer and dbx comps all of which are superior to he 3630 in terms of overall perfs.
Boards S-24 and 32 (please don't ask me why I own both!) are average,decent middle of the road mixers which provide direct in's & outs-RCA FORMAT-suitable for connecting ADAT's, average pre's with Neutrik connections,3-band EQ's both with sweep mids. Decent construction and basic mixer operation, however I don't know why they designed their function buttons such as "MUTE", "GROUP", "SOLO" etc. so small! One can hardly tell if they're depressed or not. 1 other complaint of mine also is their channel faders are way to close to each other! An 1/8" more separation would suffice for those who require as such. I don't use these boards n-e more as I bought a used Topaz last year,
but 1 thing for sure their wayyyy better than any Behringer mixer
which in actuality ain't sayin' much!
Alesis ADAT recorders, from older model 16bit BlackFaces,20 bit LX's and XT's & M-20's all the way to the HD24's,IMHO, RUUUUUULEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
 
Mr.Q, I am willing to bet that I can play you 5 songs, 4 of which used the 3630 on the bass, and one used a Cranesong STC-8, and you cannot tell me which one used the Cranesong.

In fact, I can remember reading some posts by you where you raved about some bass sounds that actually had the 3630 on the track, you just didn't know it.

Be careful about your advise friend. LongWaveStudio runs a great commercial 4 room studio in the UK and has 3630's in his rack. I have used them in 3 different studios. While they are not the first box I grab for while mixing (except when I KNOW it is going to work) I find myself using them unabashed, and if you want to take up my little bet above, well, we shall prove it once and for all right? I mean, you should be able to tell RIGHT AWAY the difference between a 3630 and a $3000 Cranesong right?

If you guess right, I send you a free CD of the artist's used for the comparison (I seem to recall that you like funk right?). If you choose wrong, well, you send me your HD24. With you insistence that the 3630 produces all those "sonic artifacts", you should easily win this bet.

You game? Let me know. When I get back home from this out of town gig next week, I will gladly upload the examples.

Creepy
 
Creepy...

It is very possible you had better experiences then others..... I know Romesh indicates he had good experiences too...

My experience with the unit is such that I could NEVER make it work for me.... for all the reasons I've previously described (many times on this forum)......

Hell, the noise gate alone produced artifacts at the threshold level.........!


There could be a number of different reasons that, while the 3630 is a pretty inferior unit, different people get different results --

1) engineer's sensitivities are different - what I consider an inexcusable artifact, you may consider extremely minor (and you may be right, depending on the context)...

There was a time (the mid-70's) when hi-hat nuances weren't even noticed by most engineers.....

2) the context it's being used in - screaming rock guitars? probably wouldn't notice any artifacts -- acoustic jazz trio, different story altogether...

3) using it as a "color" effect -- it definitely has a sound of its own - it colors the signal even bypassed.... this MAY be the right sound at the right moment....



But anyways -- the units I've used definitely had serious limitations -- I don't know how anyone works around the low-headroom/gain structure problems the 3630 has.... the circuits basically "give-out" when even slightly pushed at the +4 gain structure..... to me, that alone is enough for me to shun it... so why would I ever consider recommending it to someone else as a viable option?!?!?


What I really don't understand Creepy, is that you seem to know what you're talking about (as far as I can tell), so you already know the problems I just mentioned are true... as a pro, why do you give a crap about defending a piece of gear that, at best, is unstable and takes an inordinate amount of work to make useful?
 
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I can get my Mackie to sound "better" than my Davisound....

Now, of course the Mackie needs lots of high and low EQ added, and the Davisound sounds like that flat...

Are you guys following me.....???

Comparisons suck... and should be taken lightly...

Your Cranesong and Alesis comparison mean nothing....

I have vocal recordings done through my mediocre Mackie pre's which beat out my $3000 USD Focusrite ISA 430....

Why? Placement of singer... Mic, room conditions... Acts of god *LOL*...


Bruce knows especially... Remember that Mic shootout you did?

Remember how bad the C1 sounded, I mean it was GOD AWFUL.... but in real life it's actually not that bad...

Too many factors involved.
 
Creepy said:
Mr.Q, I am willing to bet that I can play you 5 songs, 4 of which used the 3630 on the bass, and one used a Cranesong STC-8, and you cannot tell me which one used the Cranesong.

In fact, I can remember reading some posts by you where you raved about some bass sounds that actually had the 3630 on the track, you just didn't know it.

Be careful about your advise friend. LongWaveStudio runs a great commercial 4 room studio in the UK and has 3630's in his rack. I have used them in 3 different studios. While they are not the first box I grab for while mixing (except when I KNOW it is going to work) I find myself using them unabashed, and if you want to take up my little bet above, well, we shall prove it once and for all right? I mean, you should be able to tell RIGHT AWAY the difference between a 3630 and a $3000 Cranesong right?

If you guess right, I send you a free CD of the artist's used for the comparison (I seem to recall that you like funk right?). If you choose wrong, well, you send me your HD24. With you insistence that the 3630 produces all those "sonic artifacts", you should easily win this bet.

You game? Let me know. When I get back home from this out of town gig next week, I will gladly upload the examples.

Creepy


I don't ever recall "RAVING" about the 3630, but for me it's only useful effect again is for wierd bass efx! However my friend, I still beleive the 3630 is still a bottom-feeder of all dynamic processors!

1 last thing ! Yes I can hear the diff between a crane and a 3630, my recording skillz may not be great, but I take GREAT PRIDE in my EARS!!!!
 
MISTERQCUE said:



I don't ever recall "RAVING" about the 3630, but for me it's only useful effect again is for wierd bass efx! However my friend, I still beleive the 3630 is still a bottom-feeder of all dynamic processors!

1 last thing ! Yes I can hear the diff between a crane and a 3630, my recording skillz may not be great, but I take GREAT PRIDE in my EARS!!!!

I didn't say you raved about the 3630, I said that you raved about a bass track that was compressed by one, although you didn't know it was being used.

So I take it that you will bet your HD24 against a couple of free CD's that you can pick the one track out of 5 that uses a Cranesong with the other 4 using a 3630? ;)

Blue Bear, now let's see, you LIKE your Mackie mixer and "make it work for you", yet you cannot make a 3630 work for you at all. Hmmmmmmmmmm. Very interesting indeed. Two engineers who have owned or worked in much bigger facilities than your own have endorsed their use but you cannot 'make it work' for you.

I do not deny that a bit of signal loss is evident even when the unit is in bypass, although, I have ONLY found that to be true when it was used on the insert of a Mackie mixer. Interesting eh? In all the other consoles I have used it on, there hasn't been any insertion loss at all. Soundcrafts, DDA's, Amek's, Tridents, all have not shown this signal loss, but on Mackies it is indeed there.

I have used the 3630 in rock, funk, folk, metal applications. I have used it on kick drums, snare's, toms, bass guitars, and acoustic guitars with great success. Like I have said before, it is not the first compressor I reach for unless it is the last one available in the rack...LOL But on some things, it is JUST the right sound when other boxes don't work out quite right. I don't usually use the 3630 for light compression, I use it on stuff I want to squash the hell out of, like up to 20dB of gain reduction! I don't hear "unacceptable artifacts", and if you would like to review my work, I will be glad to upload some stuff for you to hear. I am proud of my work, and other engineers in my area bring me in to work on projects they have because they value what I bring to it, so I am not just the guy some band can afford, I produce results people want to hear, or fix problems engineers have with their work. So, I know you are trying your best not to treat me like you treat others around here who disagree with you, but I sense challenge in your posts friend. Tread lightly with me, you may be a Bear, but there are scarier things around than bears. ;)

Compressors are funny. Even cheap ones can be very effective on some tracks. While a Distressor, 1176, LA2A, and a Fairchild should be part of EVERY studio rack, a guy can get by with far less and still do a pretty good job. The 3630 is truely a worthy piece and can be just the ticket many times. It IS different than a RNC or Composer or any dbx product, but then again, all those other units sound very different from each other too. Variety is the spice of life and audio engineering. The more varied tools you have available, the less sterile and predictable your productions will be! So, for the "around $100" type of compressors, the 3630 is cheap enough to go ahead and get just to have for those times when it is just the right thing. To say it is totally useless in a mix is outrageous!

Vox, don't get so worked up. I have noticed you tend to have to come back and apologize later....;)

Creepy
 
Creepy said:



Vox, don't get so worked up. I have noticed you tend to have to come back and apologize later....;)

Creepy

Oh, I'm sorry Mr... Please forgive meeeeee.....:( :rolleyes:

Why not debate my post, rather than come up with a silly remark like that.:mad:
 
Well Vox, since I have a rare morning off before a mastering session at noon, I will humor you.

It is obvious that you didn't read my post very carefully (ADD?). I know for a fact that Mr.Q will NEVER be able to guess which was which because of "too many factors involved". I have had Grammy engineers guess wrongly in similar type's of comparisons, with .wav files as the source.

What I was saying earlier to Mr.Q is that if the 3630 is so terribly horrible, it would be obvious compared to a Cranesong STC-8. I am hoping to win his HD24 in this bet, so quit making your damn points concerning "too many factors involved" please!!! :D I need another HD24 to go with the one at the studio so I can up my track count. The mixer has 32 track inputs and those last 8 are sitting idle right now! So bud out damnit!!! ;)

Now, any of you 3630 bashers, please feel free to ante up! I will consider making this bet for even lesser gear than the HD24...:D

Now, apologize to me Vox! You didn't pay attention and read my post very closely, so I suing to make this right!

Creepy
 
Creepy said:


So, for the "around $100" type of compressors, the 3630 is cheap enough to go ahead and get just to have for those times when it is just the right thing. To say it is totally useless in a mix is outrageous!

Vox, don't get so worked up. I have noticed you tend to have to come back and apologize later....;)

Creepy

For less than $100 you can get a far better perf from a Behringer
Composer than you can get with the 3630!
I'm sorry Creepy-Crawlers, but the 3630 is not what one would need in thier signal chain. Far better to use the mighty RNC!

However since you are enthralled by the 3630's perf, ya' wanna buy mine for $75.00 !!?? Original carton, instructions etc.
I'm serious!
 
Come now Mr.Q, take up my challenge. I will bet the CD's of some great funk music (3 of them...) that you will enjoy for years to come against those 3630 that you are using for door stops! I am not in need of any more compressors right now, but after the studio upgrades and remodels in November, they would be a very welcomed addition. But alas, the upgrades and remodeling are gonna be expensive, so I will risk my prized copies of these CD's to gain your compressor.

Come now, I will put you in contact of the producer of the one disk that used the Cranesong so you can verify that it was in fact used. He actually produced one of the other two CD's too, so he knows that I used the 3630 on it too.

You game yet? Got another prize for my end of the bet in mind that would be closer in value to your worthless 3630's? I am legit here, and I think there might be a couple of more established members on this site that know me who could vouch for me.

Creepy (-Crawlers?....hehe...I like that Mr.LowIQ! ;))
 
Creepy said:

It is obvious that you didn't read my post very carefully (ADD.)

Creepy

Yeah I do have ADD.. You must have enjoyed the tip on my website when you were visiting it this morning.

Hmmm, Now the discrimatory remarks are coming out.... Interesting.. Im learning you Creepy...

Mr Q is an African American... What next, you gonna make a play on that?:)

My Ignore list has just grown... I don't care to read your discriminating garbage anymore.

Am I weak for putting you on my ignore list??? Maybe..., But then and again, It might be the smartest thing this fucker has ever done ;)

Have a nice day, and no i'm not fucking sorry.
 
VOXVENDOR said:



Mr Q is an African American... What next, you gonna make a play on that?:)


You mean I'm a BLACK MAN!!!???:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
ARRRGGGGGHHHH!!!

That means I have to walk around with this 19 1/2" member!!??



Luv ya' Vox-Master-Vendor!!:cool:
 
I know you love me... :D


Man, is it really that long????????:eek:




Hey, you gotta come up here to Canada soon... Me, The wife and the HUGE baby are waiting... Remember it's MANDATORY!

Email me Q
 
VOXVENDOR said:


Yeah I do have ADD.. You must have enjoyed the tip on my website when you were visiting it this morning.

Hmmm, Now the discrimatory remarks are coming out.... Interesting.. Im learning you Creepy...

Mr Q is an African American... What next, you gonna make a play on that?:)

My Ignore list has just grown... I don't care to read your discriminating garbage anymore.

Am I weak for putting you on my ignore list??? Maybe..., But then and again, It might be the smartest thing this fucker has ever done ;)

Have a nice day, and no i'm not fucking sorry.

Well, I have never visited your website. The ADD comment was more of a joke, but obviously that didn't quite work out so well....sorry. I have had a few friends and dealings with many that suffer from ADD. I hope treatments is going well for you.

But, I do not retract from the fact that you didn't read my post very closely, regardless of the reason. I have found that many flames on this bbs could be avoided if posts were read a little closer. But, I suppose the moderators will deal with all that right?:rolleyes:

It would be quite wrong to label me as racist. The studio I work at is owned by a Korean, and we produce music for a wide variety of artist of differing ethnic heritage. I have worked live sound in "black" clubs. I spent 5 years in the Army and had people above and below my rank of any number of different ethnic backgrounds. So sad that you feel that way Vox.

Creepy
 
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