What's so great about [add a player here]?

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No, no, nooooo... this won't be another "most overrated" or "my favorite" guitarist thread.

Nevertheless, now and then I (and maybe you too) come across a player which is said to be very good but I just don't see what's so damn good about him. It's not that I think he sucks or I'm better than him ;) or I just don't like his style... it's more like: am I overlooking anything?

So now, when I ask you guys this same question about a handful of players, I don't mean it rhretorical. No, I do want an answer / opinion: what's the deal with...

1.) The Edge
2.) Kirk Hammet
3.) Eric Clapton
4.) Stevie Ray Vaughn (yeah, slap me for that one... I like his playing but I don't see/hear/feel anything more than with other blues players)

Feel free to tell me and the whole world why you like them... or just add some more names.
 
six said:
No, no, nooooo... this won't be another "most overrated" or "my favorite" guitarist thread.
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Well, a search on "favorite guitarrist" and :
Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms :D
 
ERIC CLAPTON
*I´m sure than George Harisson invited him to play on "WMGGW" and died thinking that Clapton was better than him.
No comparisions IMO.Clapton is a boring and repetitive "lick" player (note that I´m not talking about his carrer as a songwriter,only about the guitarrist). And Harrison was(is) fabulous.

EDGE:
*I don´t like U2, and that´s why I never payed attention on The Edge.But U2 came to Brasil , last year, and I confess I changed my opinion about this guy.He is a great musician.

SRV
*Im not a huge fan of blues players, after 2 or 3 songs and the same chords and licks and I´m totally bored ...
I prefer players like Larry Carlton and Robben Ford, with a more "jazzy" approach, then my ears still "on" ...

HAMMET*Finally, I prefer the "root" metal, Tony Iommy on early Sabbaths (Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage are my favorites), is much better than Hammet, or Judas Priest or Iron Maiden guitarrists ...nothing special ... sounds boring too (that´s the word! :D ).

Well, my opinion...
 
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Although I have to confess that I am not too familiar with the work of SRV, I'm sure heard some stuff at some point, but the other three, I think (perhaps maybe with the exeption of Hammett) get their popularity from the quality of songwriting they are involved in.

Clapton writes some beautiful tune, I like his guitar work, but I am not amazed by it. I do like his style though. However I have more respect for him as a writer than a guitarist.

The Edge. Hard for to answer really, because I don't like U2 at all. And opbviously I have the much talked about opinion of guitars that seem permanantly mired in delay. But we'll forget about that for a second...U2 write music that appeals to a lot of people. Even though I don't like it, I will admit that it is to a degree quality music. The Edge gets his popularity from the quality of the songs. I perosnally am not interested in or at all amazed by his playing, I personally don't like his music, but I do see it's value.

Hammet. Again, from one of the most popular metal bands in the world. Metallica write some undeniably good stuff (we'll discount the more recent abominations). However, as a lead guitarist, I'm not amazingly keen on Hammet. Yeah he's good, but his solos seem to be either rather bland, or rather pointless. Maybe it's because I have those solos burned into my brain from years of listening to metallica. It's great to watch him play live however. Of course he has his moments of genius. You don't get into the guitar hall of fame for nothing, but there are guitarists out there of a similar ilk who impress me far more than he does. Petrucci? Friedman? Heafy? John 5 anybody?
 
Clapton is the one that always comes to mind. Santana, too. I think they both suck and have never seen anythign from either one of them that made me take a second look.

SRV is totally overrated. I can't listen to that shit anymore either.

The other guys aren't exactly known as guitar gods. U2 is a product. Edge never takes off his beanie and Boingo never takes off his weird sunglasses.

Did I mention my dick is bigger than any of theirs?
 
hehehe... I started to think I was the only one who doesn't like U2 :p . ok, I like 80's hairspray-metal, and I guess one pretty much rules out the other (is that the right expression?).

kind of hard to play in a band that started out as a U2-cover-band. :D

anyway.

it's funny to see that non-guitarists (even other instrumentalists... and drummers... and singers :p ) judge guitar-players a whole lot differently than guitar-players themselves.


santana, eh?
well, I kind of understand it. he had his unique style, which was / is not the case with clapton - he's very exchangable :D.
I mean, how does something Clapton'ish sound?
the tragical side to santana is: he's been playing the same cheesy licks for a hundred years. ok, most guitarplayers do, but he's the boss when it comes to copying oneself.
 
Adding to the list:

Joe Satriani
Kiss´s players after ACE
Mike Stern (superb musician, fabulous playing standards, but...boring on a lot of records too...)


*Well,that´s a good, but a little "negative" thread ...

Then, my "These players rocks" and my fav albuns list:

Jeff Beck (Blow by Blow/Wired)
Larry Carlton (all albuns between 1978/1992)
Steve Morse (early Dregs)
Lee Rittenour (with Fourplay)
Russ Freeman (1990/94 Rippingtons)
Ace Frehley(all Kiss)
Tony Iommi (early Sabbath)
Mark Knopfler ("Neck to Neck" (w/Chet Atkins) and "On Every Street (w/ Dire Straits)
Ritchie Blackmore (Rainbow´s "Long Live Rock´n´roll" (1976)
Heitor TP (Ivan Lins, Simply Red)
Ricardo Silveira (Long Distance/1988)
Ian Bairnson (Pilot, 1974/1977 albuns)
Michael Sembello (David Samborn´s As We Speak (1982))



Ciro

my songs:
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Steve Vai.
Malmsteen.
The other one...Satriani.
Hammet.
Santana.

They all suck, IMHO. YMMV. FBI, CIA, MATT BUSBY, DIG IT.
 
I think the thing about most of these players is that they basically created their own style, but the millions of copycats out there ruined it for them. I think they're all great musicians, but I don't necessarily enjoy listening to most of them, much in the same way I don't listen to much Bach, Handel, Mozart, etc.
 
IronFlippy said:
I think the thing about most of these players is that they basically created their own style, but the millions of copycats out there ruined it for them. I think they're all great musicians, but I don't necessarily enjoy listening to most of them, much in the same way I don't listen to much Bach, Handel, Mozart, etc.
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Well said. I don't think most people saying "the Edge is great" are thinking that he is some amazing shredder or technique wizard. But he did come up with some interesting sounds and it fits in well with the songwriting. If I don't want to hear him, I turn off the radio.

But really I can't think of any guitarists I just "don't get". I can usually see why other people like them even if I don't personally choose to listen to them and buy their albums.

There are people I think are extremely talented but leave me cold (and I have no explanation as to why ).

Steve Morse is one.

But he's way better than I'll ever be.
 
SLASH FUCKING SUCKS TOO

actually, he's my favorite guitarist out there.

nobody can do it like he does, it doesnt matter who it is, there arent many people who can even make a solo to sound like he did it.

SRV and Clapton? come on many, they are also incredible.
 
Clapton is highly rated for his dead on crispness in note playing. He has a bagfull of memorable songs, a nice tone and very, very clean execution.

SRV doesn't have a lot of memorable tunes or even riffs but he was a killer player who perfoemed with a lot of heart. He loved Jimi Hendirx.

The Edge I don't know anything about. I missed the whole U2 craze.

Hammet played in a band that really probably had 3 masterpiece albums in its genre. He was just a great metal guitarist.

I rate them all except the Edge.

Other ones I don't really get are Santana and that Ygngie Malestrom fella. Slash played some great stuff in his day.
 
The reason so many guitarists like Stevie Ray Vaughan is because he played with so much emotion. You can close your eyes and FEEL his emotion and soul coming out on every note he plays on certain songs. That's the best way I can describe it.

If you can't feel it, well either you haven't heard the right songs, or you just don't get it. It's just the nature of art. There are all kinds of music posted on here that I just don't get, and other people do. Obviously it has artistic value for SOMEONE. I just don't get it.
 
hahaha, I just WAITED for slash!

was he overrated? yes, I think so... but only by the ones who hyped him because he was the lead-guitarist of this cool band.

back then slash was just another guitar-player for me. neither bad nor good. i mean, damn you gotta have a certain skill-level to play in a rockband. but now, when I listen to some GNR or Velvet Revolver stuff I just gotta say: damn... what timing!! it's so unique, so tasteful... so slash. :p
I wouldn't deny his out of tune bends (sometimes) though.
 
Yeah...I still think about his solo on Paradise City live....can't remember where it was, but had it on video, it was a great show.
 
yeah, amra, that's what normally is said about SRV. the thing is: there are some (if not many) players who play with the same emotion AND yet have additional skills.

I don't say SRV isn't good or not worth listening to. I just think he's absolutely not exceptional (and his singing sucks balls... but that's another story :p ).
 
Slash is a finesse-free slop guitarist. Now, that being said, it seemed to work for him in G-n-R...But then again, I can't past the first 7 seconds of that crap singer of theirs.

I saw Jimmy Page in '76 ('77?) in Minneapolis. V-E-R-Y disappointing.

I thought a lot of Santana back in the day...Then one night I watched him get blown off the stage in a guitar duet-turned-duel with George Benson.

Still got a boner for Travers though...One of the best riffing axemen born yet...

Eric
 
About SRV (and keep in mind this is coming from a metal head) - who has all of his emotion, and more skills? I have never heard someone with more of both. Just my opinion of course.

To anyone who has not heard much of his stuff:
Have a listen to this clip. It is one of my favorites outside of live recordings, where you can really feel every note. Close your eyes, and just listen to it. If you will ever understand what I mean by feeling every note, you will on this clip or you will never get him...

Stevie Ray Vaughan - the first 60 seconds of Texas Flood
 
IronFlippy said:
I think the thing about most of these players is that they basically created their own style, but the millions of copycats out there ruined it for them. I think they're all great musicians, but I don't necessarily enjoy listening to most of them, much in the same way I don't listen to much Bach, Handel, Mozart, etc.
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eric clapton Vs. Johann sebastion bach...
a close one...
in eric claptons corner we have...the major pentatonic...and god forbid...the MINOR pentatonic...
funny funny funny
 
You get players with technical expertise and nothing to say.(VERY COMMON)
You get players without technical expertise with something to say.(LESS COMMON)
You get players with technical expertise AND something to say.(EVEN LESS COMMON)
You get players with 'God Given' technical expertise and a hell of a lot to say. (RARE)

E.G.
Jimi Hendrix
Ritchie Blackmore
Rory Gallagher
 
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