What wouldst YOU get?

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Hi all, obviously I'm new here.

Im just getting started recording. Will be doing so on a new Imac.
I plan to invest around 600-700 for an interface, monitors, large diaphragm condenser mic, and cords and whatnot.

My needs are only to be able to record a track at a time; vocals, some acoustic and line-in electrics for now.

What would YOU recommend/ what would you get if you were just starting up... ?

Heavily considering this package right here...

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Digidesign-Pro-Tools-Mbox-2-Factory-Package?sku=702527

But also kinda considering the Mbox mini, coupled with a better mic. Possibly the NT1-a by Rode. But, this would hinder me from being able to record one track in stereo, correct?

What do you think?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
 
My obligatory standard reply-for-newbies that I keep in Wordpad so this is just a paste (I don't want to re-type this all the time):

First off, immediately get a good beginner recording book (spend $20 before spending hundred$/thousand$) that shows you what you need to get started and how to hook everything up in your studio:
Home Recording for Musicians by Jeff Strong - $15
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/04...mp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0470385421
(Wish I'd had that when I started; would have saved me lots of money and time and grief)
You can also pick up this book in most any Borders or Barnes&Noble in the Music Books section!

Another good one is: Recording Guitar and Bass by Huw Price
http://www.amazon.com/Recording-Gui...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215734124&sr=1-1
(I got my copy at a place called Half-Price Books for $6!!)

And you can get a FREE subscription to TapeOp magazine at www.tapeop.com

Barnes&Noble or Borders are great places to start --- they have recording books and you can go get a snack or coffee and read them for FREE! Don't pass by a good recording book --- this is a VERY technical hobby and you REALLY want to start a reference library!!!

Good Newbie guides that also explains all the basics and have good tips:
http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm
http://www.computermusic.co.uk/page/computermusic?entry=free_beginner_pdfs
http://www.harmony-central.com/articles/
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/tips-techniques/168409-tips-techniques.html

21 Ways To Assemble a Recording Rig: http://www.tweakheadz.com/rigs.htm

Also Good Info: http://www.theprojectstudiohandbook.com/directory.htm

Other recording books: http://musicbooksplus.com/home-recording-c-31.html

Still using a built-in soundcard?? Unfortunately, those are made with less than $1 worth of chips for beeps, boops and light gaming (not to mention cheapness for the manufacturer) and NOT quality music production.
#1 Rule of Recording: You MUST replace the built-in soundcard.
Here's a good guide and tested suggestions that WORK: http://www.tweakheadz.com/soundcards_for_the_home_studio.htm
(you'll want to bookmark and read through all of Tweak's Guide while you're there...)
Another good article: Choosing an audio interface - http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep08/articles/audiointerfaces.htm


Plenty of software around to record for FREE to start out on:

Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net (multi-track with VST support)
Wavosaur: http://www.wavosaur.com/ (a stereo audio file editor with VST support)\
Kristal: http://www.kreatives.org/kristal/
Other freebies and shareware: www.hitsquad.com/smm

Another great option is REAPER at http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ (It's $50 but runs for free until you get guilty enough to pay for it...)
I use Reaper and highly reccomend it...

Music Notation and MIDI recording: Melody Assistant ($25) and Harmony Assistant ($80) have the power of $600 notation packages - http://myriad-online.com
Demo you can try on the website.

And you can go out to any Barnes&Noble or Borders and pick up "Computer Music" magazine - they have a full FREE studio suite in every issue's DVD, including sequencers, plugins and tons of audio samples. (November 2006 they gave away a full copy of SamplitudeV8SE worth $150, November 2007-on the racks Dec in the US- they gave away SamplitudeV9SE and July 2009 issue they put out Samplitude10SE. FREE. It pays to watch 'em for giveaways...)
 
Well, thank you for that post there. Contains a wealth of good resources.
Fortunately, Ive already run across that in another post or two, as I have been researching for a while.

Just simply wanted some opinions on what YOU would personally choose, were you in my position, and with the budget im looking towards.

Thanks.
 
Well, I recently got a new iMac (i7 quad core) running Logic Pro 9. I went for the M-Audio Profire 610 interface (cost me around AU$595 - is firewire which means you can power it from the iMac, and has got two mic inputs, just in case :)), Rode NT2-A mic.

So far so good. But I must add that I am in no way an experienced home recordist, so who knows, maybe in a year's time I'll be warning people away.
 
Well thanks for the reply... I'm glad youre happy with your setup. Does that interface come with protools? no, right?

Mostly im interested in whether or not one would reccommend going with the Mbox mini and a more expensive mic.. or to go with the package I posted, including protools and the AT2020 mic.

I mean, Im recording in a bedroom, so, not-so-par acoustics...would a better mic even be such a good investment at this point?

And, overall, do you guys feel that package would be a great way to start out? ANd a good price? seems so to me.
 
Hi all, obviously I'm new here.

Im just getting started recording. Will be doing so on a new Imac.
I plan to invest around 600-700 for an interface, monitors, large diaphragm condenser mic, and cords and whatnot.

My needs are only to be able to record a track at a time; vocals, some acoustic and line-in electrics for now.

What would YOU recommend/ what would you get if you were just starting up... ?

Heavily considering this package right here...

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Digidesign-Pro-Tools-Mbox-2-Factory-Package?sku=702527

But also kinda considering the Mbox mini, coupled with a better mic. Possibly the NT1-a by Rode. But, this would hinder me from being able to record one track in stereo, correct?

What do you think?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

To record in stereo will require two mics and two channels.

I am not fond of the NT1A, but YMMV.
 
Welcome new dude!
I would try to get some used stuff in your situation. dont go spending and spending yet. Look for the firebox, krks maybe and a 2020 and some cheapy cables. Cant go wrong with a setup like this:)
 
Any reason you're set on pro tools? Their budget stuff can be pretty limiting. I'm pretty sure there are limits on which interfaces you can use and how many tracks per session.



Personally if I was in your position I'd go with reaper and a line 6 UX2.
The UX2 would really come in handy for recording guitar direct as well.

I would really consider some sort of acoustic treatment. I really wish that was the first thing I had done to my room. I wasted countless hours chasing my tail because I couldn't really hear what was happening. I think I'd even prefer to mix on computer speakers in a treated room than on expensive monitors in an untreated room. Not to mention what a huge difference it can make in you vocal and acoustic recordings.

Check the studio building forum here for some cheap DIY acoustic treatment ideas.
 
Hi all, obviously I'm new here.

Im just getting started recording. Will be doing so on a new Imac.
I plan to invest around 600-700 for an interface, monitors, large diaphragm condenser mic, and cords and whatnot.

My needs are only to be able to record a track at a time; vocals, some acoustic and line-in electrics for now.

What would YOU recommend/ what would you get if you were just starting up... ?

Heavily considering this package right here...

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Digidesign-Pro-Tools-Mbox-2-Factory-Package?sku=702527

But also kinda considering the Mbox mini, coupled with a better mic. Possibly the NT1-a by Rode. But, this would hinder me from being able to record one track in stereo, correct?

What do you think?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

OK, if I was trying to do what you have stated on a budget, personally I would worry more about the front end and less about the back end. First, recording bundles tend to be like drum mic kits. They look good, but tend to be assembled from things that didn't sell that well. You have pretty much correctly concluded that you need a mic, an interface, and some monitors, and the peripherals to connect them. You are specifying direct electric guitar, which is do-able, but often doesn't hold up to a good mic in front of a good amp. But- I'll presume you don't have a good amp, or cannot make a lot of noise, or both.

The biggest problem, perhaps, is the monitors. Even pretty pedestrian monitors would suck up your whole budget, and would still be a long ways off from top of the line. Another issue is- don't fixate on Pro Tools. It used to be a big deal industry standard, but there are lots of alternatives now. The most powerful and desirable capabilities of Pro Tools are ones you won't be able to use for a long time, as you have neither the budget, nor the experience. Don't be sucked in by the cool plugins and software. If you don't get a good recording going in, it won't help, and if you do, you won't need most of it. All you are going to need at first is a decent reverb plugin, a decent compressor, and some EQ. And- because you want to do electric guitar direct, a basic amp modeler will be very useful.

Here's the standard way to attack it-

Monitors- I'd probably go with these:

http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=41596&Category=Monitoring

Are they good monitors? No. You *can't* afford good monitors yet. But they'll give you some thing to use until you can. I think they are better than any active monitors in that pricerange.

Interface- If you are really set on direct recording electric, I'd probably go with this:

http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=60669&Category=Audio_Interfaces

The preamps are a cut above most of the cheaper interfaces, and it has a bunch of guitar modeling capabilities.

Mic(s)- Unfortunately, the needs of mic'ing vocals and acoustic guitar are not always the same. For an all purpose cheap condenser, I like this:

http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6458&Category=Microphones

software- Just pay the $60 and go with reaper. A lot of other people will tell you the same thing.

That leaves you with about $100 for a boom stand, a shock mount, a pop filter, and a good mic cable, which is cutting it close.

Alright, what I've just given you is kind of the standard answer. Now I'll tell you what I would really do-

First, I would admit that I don't have the budget yet for a real pair of monitors, and I would just get a good set of headphones, which you are going to need anyway. I like these:

http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=10952&Category=Monitoring

Then I would buy this (no kidding):

http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=32943&Category=Recorders

Why? Because it is a perfectly good USB powered interface, *and* a perfectly good standalone recorder, with built in compression, EQ, guitar amp modeling, and a pair of condenser mics. It also comes with cubase software. You can plug it into a computer, and use it as an interface, or take it with you and record anywhere, then download it to a computer for further processing in cubase, or almost any other recording software you want. That way, you can use the plugins in the Zoom, or record clean and process in the computer using Cubase. Then I would add the V67 I listed above, as a main vocal mic. You can sing into the onboard mics, but I prefer a large diaphragm condenser for that. And, if you want, you can record the acoustic with the onboard stereo mics, and use the V67 for lead vocals at the same time, because you have 4 tracks, instead of 2. I would probably add a 16 or 32 gig SD card as soon as possible, 1 gig just doesn't cut it.

So I've got you at about $530 or so (with the 16 gig card), probably $650 after you add a mic stand, a shock mount, a pop filter, and a cable or 2. The advantages? First, it is now all miniaturized and battery powered, if you want it to be. Don't like the space you have? Record somewhere else. The whole system can fit in a briefcase. Two, you now have 4 tracks of simultaneous input, although 2 of them are a pair of stereo mics. You have 3 mics, instead of 2, and a place to plug in the fourth one, if you get it. You can put it into a guitar case. And most importantly, down the road, when you upgrade to a badass, high end recording system, unlike most cheap interfaces, it will not become useless. It will still be a a notebook, the PDA of a recording artist. Best of luck in whatever you decide to do.-Richie
 
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Its not particularly that Im "set on protools".... I just find it a great value that the mbox series comes with protools already. I also have logic already, may be using that mainly.

The line 6 looks pretty nice there... Seems, (like you said) that it would be good for line in guitars right out of the box...

Also, I do like the firebox also, specifically the fact that its firewire, and has two inputs for quite a lower price than the mbox series.

Only issue with room treatment is that I currently live in an apartment, and will be recording in my bedroom for now.. ANd will be out probably within the next 6 or 7 months... any suggestions there? I've seen plans for easy room treatment ideas that are portable. SO Ill check the section out.

Thanks for all the responses.
 
Its not particularly that Im "set on protools".... I just find it a great value that the mbox series comes with protools already. I also have logic already, may be using that mainly.

The line 6 looks pretty nice there... Seems, (like you said) that it would be good for line in guitars right out of the box...

Also, I do like the firebox also, specifically the fact that its firewire, and has two inputs for quite a lower price than the mbox series.

Only issue with room treatment is that I currently live in an apartment, and will be recording in my bedroom for now.. ANd will be out probably within the next 6 or 7 months... any suggestions there? I've seen plans for easy room treatment ideas that are portable. SO Ill check the section out.

Thanks for all the responses.

Go with some rigid fiberglass wrapped in burlap for treatment. You can just set them on top of a box in the corner so you don't even need to attach them to the walls. Or if you are inclined you could make free standing frames.
There are plenty of ways to get some basic treatment up without gluing or nailing anything to the walls.
 
This forum rocks. Thanks for the quick, detailed responses....

Richard Monroe thanks, that was very helpful, and a damn neat idea... because having a desktop I'd be limited to recording there, but being able to just take my "notepad" around and record live jam sessions and whatnot, thatd be great.... No need to spend more on a lap top instead of the Imac.

Are the preamps on that thing pretty decent? And you said that it has two amped mic inputs, as well as the two stereo mics built in? that IS pretty sweet.... Any disadvantages in comparison to other regular interfaces.?
 
Yo Stolen thoughts! Are the preamps in an H4n great? Not particularly. But- neither are the preamps in anybody's cheap USB interface. They are comparable to the preamps in the other interfaces under discussion. Maybe not quite as good as the UX2, but better than the MBOX mini.

Are there disadvantages? 3 that come to mind. One, it's a $300 unit, not the $150-$200 of most cheap interfaces. For what it does, I believe that's a good tradeoff. Two- its guitar modeling capabilities are not as advanced as the UX2. This can be compensated for by using modeling plugins, such as amp farm and Revalver, or by using a modeler as a front end for the guitar. I use a pocket Pod for that when I travel, so the entire remote studio fits in a briefcase, with some micromonitors , a miniboom stand, and a pair of additional mics. I use AKG C2000B's for that. Third, if it breaks, your whole system is broken until it's fixed. No big deal- if your interface breaks, you are every bit as dead in the water.

I have a fair amount of cash tied up in my studio (over $30,000), and I still use the Zoom frequently. To me, it's a remote recorder, which for more critical recordings, I pair up with a better grade of mics. It is also my think pad and a headphone amp. In the studio, I often use it as a preamp for talkback mics. In that application, I jack a standard stage mic into it, and send a line out to the aux input of my headphone amp. That way, I can talk to the nice people with the headphones on without using up a channel on the main recording rig, and without the signal going anywhere near the recorder. I've been using it for 6-7 months now with no problems. You can just take the SD card out of it and feed it to a laptop or desktop that has a card reader, which is faster than downloading directly as an interface, but it can do that too, if you need it to.

Say you want to use it for recording drums. Here it really helps to have the remote control card, which is a separate accessory. You attach the mic stand adaptor to it, put it on a boom stand, and use the onboard mics as X-Y overheads. Then the other inputs are used for the snare and kick mics. It can be run on rechargable batteries, alkaline or lithium cells, or plugged into the wall with the included AC-DC adapter. When it is used as an interface, it is powered by the USB connection from the computer. It records in stereo at very high resolution, up to 24bit/96kHz. In 4 track, it only does 16bit/44.1kHz, which is what I usually use, because I usually need CD compatibility. It can convert WAV. files to MP3's at the touch of a button, in a variety of resolutions. The H4n is simply one of the coolest gadgets I've ever used. Mine has already paid for itself on the strength of sales of one remote recorded CD I made on it, of a 60 voice choir.

Eventually, there may come a high end machine that does what the H4n does *better*, with Neumann-equivalent mics and all, but it will cost at least a couple of grand, and will then be too expensive to take anywhere, unless you are a rich SOB. The deal I got was OK. I paid $350 for mine brand new on ebay, but it came with the remote control card, a 16gig SD card, and the micro-tripod stand. I found it very intuitive, and was using it with no problems the day I bought it. It's a piece of kit I would recommend to most people, because of its versatility. To a beginner, it is more than just an interface, and to a pro, it's a great scratchpad. -Richie
 
Another zoom product to consider.

http://www.zzounds.com/a--2676837/item--ZOMR16

8 input interface USB or stand alone. Has stereo mics built in. Onboard effects, can be used as a control surface. A little pricier though.

I think it was Teyshablue that got one recently and posted a mini review of the thing. He seemed pretty pleased.
 
Yo Stolen thoughts! Are the preamps in an H4n great? Not particularly. But- neither are the preamps in anybody's cheap USB interface. They are comparable to the preamps in the other interfaces under discussion. Maybe not quite as good as the UX2, but better than the MBOX mini.

Are there disadvantages? 3 that come to mind. One, it's a $300 unit, not the $150-$200 of most cheap interfaces. For what it does, I believe that's a good tradeoff. Two- its guitar modeling capabilities are not as advanced as the UX2. This can be compensated for by using modeling plugins, such as amp farm and Revalver, or by using a modeler as a front end for the guitar. I use a pocket Pod for that when I travel, so the entire remote studio fits in a briefcase, with some micromonitors , a miniboom stand, and a pair of additional mics. I use AKG C2000B's for that. Third, if it breaks, your whole system is broken until it's fixed. No big deal- if your interface breaks, you are every bit as dead in the water.

I have a fair amount of cash tied up in my studio (over $30,000), and I still use the Zoom frequently. To me, it's a remote recorder, which for more critical recordings, I pair up with a better grade of mics. It is also my think pad and a headphone amp. In the studio, I often use it as a preamp for talkback mics. In that application, I jack a standard stage mic into it, and send a line out to the aux input of my headphone amp. That way, I can talk to the nice people with the headphones on without using up a channel on the main recording rig, and without the signal going anywhere near the recorder. I've been using it for 6-7 months now with no problems. You can just take the SD card out of it and feed it to a laptop or desktop that has a card reader, which is faster than downloading directly as an interface, but it can do that too, if you need it to.

Say you want to use it for recording drums. Here it really helps to have the remote control card, which is a separate accessory. You attach the mic stand adaptor to it, put it on a boom stand, and use the onboard mics as X-Y overheads. Then the other inputs are used for the snare and kick mics. It can be run on rechargable batteries, alkaline or lithium cells, or plugged into the wall with the included AC-DC adapter. When it is used as an interface, it is powered by the USB connection from the computer. It records in stereo at very high resolution, up to 24bit/96kHz. In 4 track, it only does 16bit/44.1kHz, which is what I usually use, because I usually need CD compatibility. It can convert WAV. files to MP3's at the touch of a button, in a variety of resolutions. The H4n is simply one of the coolest gadgets I've ever used. Mine has already paid for itself on the strength of sales of one remote recorded CD I made on it, of a 60 voice choir.

Eventually, there may come a high end machine that does what the H4n does *better*, with Neumann-equivalent mics and all, but it will cost at least a couple of grand, and will then be too expensive to take anywhere, unless you are a rich SOB. The deal I got was OK. I paid $350 for mine brand new on ebay, but it came with the remote control card, a 16gig SD card, and the micro-tripod stand. I found it very intuitive, and was using it with no problems the day I bought it. It's a piece of kit I would recommend to most people, because of its versatility. To a beginner, it is more than just an interface, and to a pro, it's a great scratchpad. -Richie

Nice review of the H4n I am pleased with mine too... :-)
Used it to record a live gig in 4 channel mode.. Had a line feed from my desk in the line inputs drums on one instruments on another. And was very happy... Room mics only picked up talking though!
 
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