What we want in the next CEP

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"How is using a modeling amp any diffrent from using the software effects in CEP. "

Very different. Try getting feedback out of a plugin? Try miking up a plugin to get a bit of room sound? If you leave your pod on for an hour does it sound warmer? not?

Pods are ok practice amps, and a poor mans real amp.

If you need a clicktrack to play tight then you best be practising a lot more eh.

Record your drums first not last. Drummers hate having to play in time to other musicians who usually need drummers to keep them in time anyway.

Sorry, this is more of a response to Garak. Iv'e already said my bit about new features above.
Garak, if you have to compromise your recording technique then your end result will be compromised too
 
I aways mic a real amp when recording but the gutair usually goes through an amp simulator like the pod first. That way you get tube warmth with the great sound from the Pod. I've seen a few big bands use this live on stage.

Sometimes we use a modeling amp like a flextone or a tubetron which simulate the sound of a tube amp. But they do sound digital and sometimes thats the sound we want.

Thats the idea of the click track to keep the musicans on time so when the drumer can get into the studio they don't have to follow the other muscians for timeing they follow the click track.

Some bands follow the drummer or atleast the bass player follows the drummer in others the drummer follows the bass and gtr.

I'm not a musican myself. I'm a sound tech.
 
Scott Tansley said:

. Because they are always a compramise. Unless you have thousands worth of dsp

hardware that can run (some) of them in realtime you will have to run them at lower quality

algorithums like at 8 or 16bit. The way it is, is fine. There high quality effects that sound

great.
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I would like realtime PREVIEWS in MIX mode, as a compromise, so-to-speak. Because I want to HEAR what that compression setting is going to sound like against the mix w/o wasting time processing the track.. And I have the horses for it, so why not??

Thats not a compromise.... Real musicians play EVERYTHING they can get their hands on.. lame technitions limit themselves to one thing or idea.

Wouldnt you like to really dial in the right kinf of reverb or comp?? Ill bet you dont as things are. I bet you kind of guess which one would be best, because you dont want to wait through ANOTHER processing of a vocal track. I know I do.

THAT, my friend, is compromising.

xoox
 
Here we go, camm all to the rescue. I was just wondering why you didn't jump in on me earlier like you usually do and try and heap shit on me again. ...Then apologising for it later to make it alright.

Back to buisness..

Look, I guess a realtime PREVIEW would be good so long as it mixes down at higher quality.

"Real musicians play EVERYTHING they can get their hands on.. lame technitions limit themselves to one thing or idea. "

Exactly, I couldn't agree more. well said, for once!

"Wouldnt you like to really dial in the right kinf of reverb or comp?? Ill bet you dont as things are. I bet you kind of guess which one would be best, because you dont want to wait through ANOTHER processing of a vocal track. I know I do."

Again we see camm making assumptions about me, Just because YOU guess (now don't be lazy camm, its all worth it in the end) NO I don't guess what reverb or compression or compressor I want. Its usually something thats decided before we even record. Just like which guitar or bass i'm going to use is decided before we record. With experience you too will learn what to do beforehand. Ever heard of pre-production camm? But yes there's always the small tweeking of settings later to make it all gel. No
big deal.
Lame technicians (yes I can spell it!) feel the need to experiment later on because they have no idea what to do beforehand.
 
Garak you said,Even with a drummer around the studio all the time there are parts where the drummer stops and one person plays on in a solo and its like impossiable for everyone to comeback in on time.
Good point!
What we do in these situations is have the drummer keep time with his hats in those breaks or if there 's a cymbol still ringing and you don't want to hear the hats, get the drummer to lightly tap the hats mike stand. It won't get picked up in the overheads, it will be good for everyone else to keep time to when doing there takes and you can remove it from the mix later easily. Even better get him to tap the snare mic if its a sure57. That'll give you a brighter click. And the 57 can take it. This will always have a better feel than a click track to play to. And your right, its not always possible to record the drummer in the first take, just better if you can.

I for got to ask for a better sounding parametric eq. Its not too bad on bass and most other individual tracks but sounds harsh on mastering. I still havn't found a better sounding digital par eq than an analogue one. Even cheap...er (but not really cheap) analogue eq's are hard to beat with any pluggin.
 
RECAP

Recap of current status
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history option
realtime fx
realtime fx preview
midi -- but able to hide it
Filters with stages and transition curves -- I don't know exactly what you mean here, but I will go with it.
BPM synced delay and echo -- I like that feature
Timed-record in multitrack mode
Lower upgrade price to registered users of previous versions
Click track options
Measure bar/beat view
Control Surface support (I really like that)
Default position of envelops at 3/4 rather than 1
Simple video

I guess I have a few questions. What is meant by that filter stuff? I guess I don't really use filters, so I don't know much about it.

2) Timed record in multitrack mode...can someone elaborate on that?

3) Simple video -- shouldn't someone just buy vegas or acid? I like CEP as an AUDIO program...


Anyone interested in adding VST support?

MIKE
 
It would be nice to be able to move multiple envelope points at the same time.
 
I'd love to see realtime fx and individual track level meters in multi-track mode.

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George
 
I went away from digital for a little while for a personal project. I came back and was very much suprised to see that a new Cool Edit had not been released. Wow. Now thats some sloooow development.
 
I'd like the midi option in the next CEP especialy for sampling. It's complicated using Cakewalk to record midi, export it and then open it in the session just to see if it fits right.

I'd also like complete non destructive editing, like in Vegas Pro from Sonic Foundry. Meaning that each session should only open the dry .wav and aply the plug-in effects as long as the session is open. This is especialy usefull when you would like to get rid of let's say the third effect you have applied out of five or whatever.
 
for mastahnke: there is an aplication (VST adaptor) that let's you use vst plug-ins in any audio program including CEP. Do a search in google or other search engine and you'll find it.

One,

Rthodox/Tase
 
I just thought of something else I need in CEP output meters on all effects. Don't you just hate it when you add an effect and it clips your track.
 
1) Support for all plugins.

2) If not that, then real-time effects. With real "preview," that you actively change within the selection screens (the 'verbs take WAAAY to long to preview, but I guess with real-time effects, this is no problem).

3) A Video track. Not necessarily video EDITING, but a place to take a video feed and use as a guideline. A baseline video track, I suppose.

4) Fix that awkward pause/delay at the beginning of recording.


Oh, and "heya, guys!" How are you doing, Camn? Hope Thanksgiving went well, and that you didn't run into nasty wrecks this week...

And why does everyone think there's going to be an upgrade price? CEP really only has it's existing base to sell to, and if they sell the whole package as a seperate project, they're going to alienate the only audience willing to love this software. They HAVE to make an upgrade price.
 
whassup, main. Nothing too hairy this T-day. Lots of grannies falling down stairs trying to get home after dinner, though.

xoxo

will there be a new CEP? my 8-ball says no.
 
It's worth noting that Syntrillium is somehow associated with Cumulus Broadcasting, which is probably why it "infiltrated" radio so swifty. I don't know the exact nature of the association, but I THINK it goes something like one of the guys in Cumulus also programs, and started Syntrillium. I don't know, this is what I remember from a job I had a couple of years ago at a radio station that was purchased by Cumulus.

Cumulus isn't doing so well, to put it mildly. They're number-twisting little shitheads that are finding themselves with their just rewards, and this may have an impact on Syntrillium's ability to produce CEP's big brother. Dunno.
 
"And why does everyone think there's going to be an upgrade price? CEP really only has it's existing base to sell to, and if they sell the whole package as a seperate project, they're going to alienate the only audience willing to love this software. They HAVE to make an upgrade price."

If the new Cool Edit has a sequencer and does MIDI, they'll sell the program to all the synth-heads and loopers, going way beyond the current group of users.

People who don't want that will continue to use/buy the present version. They won't have to offer an upgrade price.
 
Re: RECAP

mastahnke said:

Filters with stages and transition curves -- I don't know exactly

I guess I have a few questions. What is meant by that filter stuff? I guess I don't really use filters, so I don't know much about it.
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6/12/18/24dB Low-, high- and bandpass filters with resonanse.. with stages i mean that you should be able to set a few stages of frequency and resonanse and then use transition curves to control the filter like it was live tweaking...
 
What's the problem with floating point 32-bit?

Lemme guess - it makes it awkward sending a wav recorded in Cool Edit to a piece of gear that only recognizes 24-bit, right?
 
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