What the piss is going on with my guitar?

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OK, can anybody tell me what kind of demonic curse would cause my Strat-knockoff's electronics to make LESS noise when the ground wire is NOT connected? Seriously! I still can't find the problem in the damn thing. When I wire it up as normal, I get a hum that gets louder if you touch the strings--not what you want at all. Removing the ground wire from the volume pot causes a big drop in noise. I still can't get any signal through the pickups no matter what, though.
 
34 views and no replies! I take it everybody is as confused as I am?
 
it sounds like your guitar signal is going to ground--probably via the vol pot...get an ohm meter and check for a connection between your signal (center conductor?) and the body of the pot...check it with the pot turned up and down...if this "short" is present, the pot has failed.
 
toyL said:
it sounds like your guitar signal is going to ground--probably via the vol pot...get an ohm meter and check for a connection between your signal (center conductor?) and the body of the pot...check it with the pot turned up and down...if this "short" is present, the pot has failed.

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I have to beg, borrow, or steal a ride to Rat Shack so I can finally buy myself an ohm meter. So I won't know what's going on for a little while.
 
Poor mans Continuity tester. put a battery and a light bulb in a series circut through the pot. if it lights theres a short. if it doesnt theres an open (which is likely the culpret here).
 
Sounds to me like you have the hot and ground wire reversed at the jack. Switch them and you should be fine. What you describe are symptoms of that problem--thats why the noise gets louder when you put your hand on the strings.
 
crawdad said:
Sounds to me like you have the hot and ground wire reversed at the jack. Switch them and you should be fine. What you describe are symptoms of that problem--thats why the noise gets louder when you put your hand on the strings.

Well, I'll try that, but I'm skeptical. I've followed my schematic (made when the guitar was working fine) to a tee.
 
It will take 5 minutes to resolder the wires and save you a trip to radio shack! If that doesn't work, we will figure it out.
 
toyL said:
it sounds like your guitar signal is going to ground--probably via the vol pot...get an ohm meter and check for a connection between your signal (center conductor?) and the body of the pot...check it with the pot turned up and down...if this "short" is present, the pot has failed.

Bingo! I have acquired an ohm meter and made this check, and this short was indeed present in the pot. I'll swap it with another one and report back directly.
 
well, it's good to know that the last 14 yrs of building electronics systems for the defense dept has finally come to fruition.
 
toyL said:
well, it's good to know that the last 14 yrs of building electronics systems for the defense dept has finally come to fruition.

Whoa! Can you make my guitar so it can launch missiles from F-14s?

Anyway, things are looking strange. I swapped the problem pot for another one that didn't have the short in it (I checked before I put it in). But when I soldered everything up, Mr. Short made another appearance! I checked the supposedly bad pot, and there was no short! So something is screwy. I'm gonna attach wires one by one and see just when that short appears.
 
sorry man...I should have told you to essentially isolate the pot before checking for the short--remove all wires except those carrying your signal...but, what you're doing--adding wires "one by one" sounds like a good idea...also, be sure to visually check each connection thoroughly--even one or two wire strands can creep along and make a connection where you don't want one...also, be sure to not use too much heat with your iron...like crawdad said--we will figure it out...once you get it fixed, next time you'll be helping someone else.
 
Well, I'm still thinking about your problem. Let's start at the top. You have a Strat wiring--3 pickups--5 way switch--volume pot--two tone controls. Is that info all correct?

Second, they are three single coils, right? If so, the pots should all be 250k values.

Alright. I do believe you have a drawing of how its all supposed to go together. If not, Seymour Duncan has all the different diagrams on his site.

Lets just check the assembly first. Each pickup has two leads--a hot and a ground. The hot leads should be soldered to the switch. The ground terminals should be soldered to the volume pot.

Looking at the volume pot from the bottom, the left terminal should be connected to the switch's output. The middle terminal should be the connected to the wire that goes to the jack's hot terminal. Another wire should be soldered to your volume pot, which is the ground wire that goes to the jack's ground. The third lug of the pot should be bent over and soldered to the pot casing, thus going to ground also.

If this is all correct, the hot signal from the pickups will be transmitted to the tip of the guitar cord from the jack and the ground will connect to the sleeve of the guitar cord, and be sent on to your amp.

The whole thing makes up a circuit. The HOT and GROUND connections must never touch. ANY bad connction/faulty connection will kill the circuit. So check all the connections--even resolder them all. Could be a loose wire or a bad connection anywhere. Make sure none of the lugs carrying hot signal are touching the silver foil under all the pots (if you have that foil in your guitar). Replace the wires to the jack if necessary as they could be bad. I've seen it happen.

9 times out of 10, its just one little thing that causes all the havoc. A broken wire, a bad pot, a mess from a loose pot that twists all the wires together--I've seen all this before. Check all this stuff and let me know what you find out.
 
Yeah, I just know it's something little. I've sort of moved this project to the back burner for now, as I'm going to Spain in a week and trying to finish up an album before I go (not to mention, you know, pack). So that particular guitar will probably remain unusable until I get back in the states. Thanks for the help, though.
 
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