What Makes an artist Real Hip hop

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Aight I just wanted to ask this question cause I hear a lot of people talk about certain artist sayin they not real hip hop or this is hip hop and that aint so tell me what in your eyes makes a artist a real hip hop artist verse an entertainer or what ever you would call everybody else?
 
In my opinion, plain and simple, whoever speaks from their heart, no matter what the financial outcome. Real hip hop was started not as a commercial venture to get money, but to give a voice to those who previously didn't have one.
 
to hip hop is uplifting..not about what you got, how many people you shot..

its more about life, and uplifting the people..

this is why I like KRS-One, Check D, Mos Def, Doug e Fresh and a few others..they did it for the love of hip-hop..not for the money
 
I agree with all above... But there are alot of artist nowadays with HIP HOP Skills just not using them skills to create HIPHOP...

My definition would be music creation that is not soley inspired by making money... There has to be more love for the ART and the elevation of the art rather than I want to go Platinium... Nothing wrong with Platnium, but going into a project with a goal soley of going Platinium is not the way to create HIP HOP...
 
bknot1 said:
to hip hop is uplifting..not about what you got, how many people you shot..

its more about life, and uplifting the people..

this is why I like KRS-One, Check D, Mos Def, Doug e Fresh and a few others..they did it for the love of hip-hop..not for the money
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It may not always be uplifting. Sometimes it's a way to expose a harsh reality that people are living. Grandmaster Flash first proved that in "The Message", and KRS-One as well with "Listen to my 9mm go Bang" And hip hop does have history about braggin about what you got. Check some of Busy Bee's and the Trecherous Three's battles. Them dudes was talking about they had Rolls Royces..knowing they didn't even have a Pinto. Bknot I l know you rememberthem jointz :D But gettin paid was never the primary motivation. That to me is the difference
 
I DISAGREE AND AGREE WITH ALL THE ABOVE POST
Hiphop is just like ya family and you actually need those "i want to go platnum" family members as well as the true to thy self family members. That is what makes hip hop the multicultural embodyment it is. that is what adds the flavor the differencees. being alowed to go from left to right to find the voice or make the voice and having the space to fit it in the scheeme is the whole embodyment of hip hop. I mean i aint proud to have a crackhead in the family but it is necesary cuz he makes my cousins not want to be like him when they see how trife he is so yea he part of my family. i mean he hella fun at barbq tho. same thang in hiphop. i knock most def when i'm just riding but i knock franchise when i am with my kids to keep em bouncy and happy ( no diss to franchise). when i gotta go handle some business or flossin wit my boys i knock something different. if a cat produce a hit with the concept of going platnum then he is being true to his dream if it goes platinum and the same applies if i am trying to raise consciouness and my track do that. Keeping it real dont mean being broke or rich to me its dedicating your time to doing what you enjoy doing and actually doing it. i bumped 2 live crew back in the daw because it was another side of me a very real side. just like d4l(silly side), talib (conscious side), 2short(old pimp side), scarface (og side) ......etc. And aint nothing wrong with keeping it profitable.lol
 
I consider kats that go in it for the money to be 'RAPPERS' and others who do it for the art and getting there message across (positive or negative) as HIP HOP...
 
Raticus said:
I consider kats that go in it for the money to be 'RAPPERS' and others who do it for the art and getting there message across (positive or negative) as HIP HOP...
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Thats a profound statement.
 
Murdock Jones said:
It may not always be uplifting. Sometimes it's a way to expose a harsh reality that people are living. Grandmaster Flash first proved that in "The Message", and KRS-One as well with "Listen to my 9mm go Bang" And hip hop does have history about braggin about what you got. Check some of Busy Bee's and the Trecherous Three's battles. Them dudes was talking about they had Rolls Royces..knowing they didn't even have a Pinto. Bknot I l know you rememberthem jointz :D But gettin paid was never the primary motivation. That to me is the difference
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:lol: yeah I do...you goin to make me look thru all my cds and all my data cds to see if i still have those albums..i converted a lot of tapes to cd years back...
 
At the same time you cant really tell who doin it just for the money or for the love.... take me for example... I do it for the love of the music but at the same time I still make gangsta tracks, i still make club joints, i still make ridin music, and I talk about my life... I never made a so called uplifting track i.e Nas "Rule" off stillmatic....... and In my eyes im still hip hop cause I do what i feel..... my music is an expression of me and the mood im in..... at the same time I would still love to make money doin it and I cant lie thats also a part of why I do......... I also think its a part why just about any cat in the game does it....... if you ask Mos Def, Talib, Common or any of them im almost certain that they would say the money that comes wit large album sales is somethin they would love to have along wit having there voice bein heard cause if not they wouldnt either bother gettin signed
 
i agree..Change is Hip-Hop...


thats why I feel everything he does...

I understand what you sayin Fyre...i see it like this alot of artist are in for the luv of Hip-hop..ie the artist that have been doin it the longest ..and take their time to release an album..now Albums drop in less then a year..cause they hott and they want the money..we artist take their time to release their album its usually a classic..cause they took their time between releases to make it better then the 1st one..to me that is the luv for the music..

but in this world of Hip-Hop its all about the money now..alot of the art is gone..but someone will bring it back..just wait and see..
 
yea i think so myself........ its goin be hard to bring back the artistic side of it but i think im doin my part by just stayin me and doin what i feel
 
thats what it takes..you being you...you cant please everyone...and evey other one will hate on what you dooin..its the life of an artist...luv them or hate them...

just do you...

also people have to realize the labels have alot of say on the mainstream albums on how they want to album to vibe...so if you do sign a deal make sure you have artist control to do what you want to seel records not what they want..
 
Lil Jon, Camron, & alot of others are entertainers.


Kool G Rap, Canibus & Rakim are rappers.
 
Artikulate said:
Lil Jon, Camron, & alot of others are entertainers.


Kool G Rap, Canibus & Rakim are rappers.
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Lil Jon is HIP HOP.. I mean he is the King of a whole style of hip hop and he been doin it for years...

Camron is one of the those artists I spoke off who have HIP HOP Skills but more times than not are not using dem skills to create HIP HOP
 
The Real Problem Is That Too Many Of Us Have Decided That "commercial" Music Is The Definition Of "good" Music . . . . All We Ever Hear Anymore Is The Discussion Of The Commercial Artist . . . Even The "underground" Artists Are Nowadays The Artist Who Are Trying To Become Commercial . . . The Next Big Thing . . . There Used To Be A Time Where There Was A Healthy Mix Of Commercial Artists And Non-commercial Artists . . . Regardless Of The Bling Factor . . .
 
Lil Jon is HIP HOP.. I mean he is the King of a whole style of hip hop and he been doin it for years...
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Lil Jon is NOT NOT NOT HIP HOP. His cd's are GARBAGE that belong in a trash can. Every song he makes is intended to be played in a club and has no meaning whatsoever. What he does is ENTERTAIN people. He doesn't make music because he loves music. He makes music because he loves money. It's so obvious when you listen to his work and compare it with almost any random rapper you pull off the shelf. What he does requires NO talent. His gay crunk beats require no talent(which is evident by every other lame ass wannabe Lil Jon on soundclick) and his lyrics are pitiful. He might as well just release the beats. Like I said before, his whole cd is meant for putting out songs and figuring out which one can be marketed best. Get Low, Yeah! and all that shit. A cd should have a maximum of two "crunk" songs or "party/radio" songs MAX. DMX does this very well with each cd having about 1-2 songs meant for radio/clubs. Lil Jon puts 15 club songs on a cd and tricks dumb motherfuckers(such as yourself) into buying it and calling it hip hop. You want Hip Hop in it's truest form?


Canibus - Rip The Jacker
Rip The Jacker

Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Vol.2
Revolutionary Vol.2
 
Yeah at this point he probably does it for the money ... But what he and a few others started in the south was a sound which represented hip hop from that part of the map.. That sound has NOW has become mainstream... He is hip hop because he represents to me a certain sound in hip hop as a vet as a pioneer... Not really a sound that is my type ish but there are enough real fans that I have to respect it....

Raticus
 
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