What is your impression or experience w/ the Yamaha 01V mixer?

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- would you buy one?

- from experience or what you understand what are the pluses or minuses of this board?

- How tedious is it going to be to use and mix with, seeing it only has 12 faders ?? (this is my greatest concern)

- Later as I upgrade could it be used as a interface or automated controller synched with protools??
(could the faders control protools or similiar pkgs?)




I have a 16 channel analog board now and am actually getting paid decent money for recording so I can justify a upgrade but I want to go with a good board within my budget.

I also considered just gettign a mackie 24 channel or A&H and later just buy a outboard controller for protools when I upgrade to that. Then I would just use the analog board for monitoring during tracking

Any recommendation would be most appreciated. I have always learned so much from the help posted to this board. Thanks
 
automated faders are cool but go for the o2r It has 24 channels

o1v has only 16.
 
The O2R actually is a 40 channel console. There is a flip switch for the second bank of channel faders.....

Overall, the DSP is very lifeless, sort of cold, and you wind up HAVING to use the onboard dynamic processing unless you want to burn up your aux return inputs to have a track coming from your recording decks play through analog processors then into the console.

If you were thinking of using ALL analog inputs into these consoles, er, well, it sound really horrible!!! I would not suggest it.

Good luck.

Ed
 
well yes the inputs would be analog. What boards would you recommend? Analog w/ automation? Is that going to be very over priced?
 
enemyofthesun said:
well yes the inputs would be analog. What boards would you recommend? Analog w/ automation? Is that going to be very over priced?
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Is there such a thing as overpriced to get what you want?

I use a $6000 mixing console and get mostly what I want out of it. I really don't consider that to be "over priced" by any means considering the average "big studio" console these days run well over $200,000 dollars!]

Most of you guys are looking for "big time" sound for around $400 on a console! Grow up!!! Don't you think most big time studios that produce the product you hear on the radio would be using a little cheapy console if it sounded as good? Of course they would. Why spend several thousands of dollars more if you can get the same thing for cheap.

Digital consoles pretty much suck. I would find it hard to believe that anyone posting on this site could actually afford a digital console that actually works as well as the claims many of you make about them. AND, I have yet to hear the real life proof in the form of posted material that would support that something like an Yamaha digital console is "all that".

Sorry. I just feel like a reality check is in order. Again!

Ed
 
I was looking in a yamaha brochere one time and you will never guess who was edorsing the 01v.

ROSIE O' DONNEL no shit, she went on to say that when we have a big time star like britney spears on the show we may use all 50 of the channels for her and her band (what band, I dont even belive its her singing, and where does this bitch see 50 channels at). No shit this was in a yamaha ad for that board.:confused:
 
First, don't worry about the number of faders, at the flip of a switch you'll have the next 12.

However. Head Sonus' advice if you're worried about sonic quality, stay well clear of the O2R, the O1R, or any other Yammers console.
Especially the 1 and 2 are less than medicre in their analogue section, ane their converters belong firmly at the bottom of the heap, any heap.
(I think what I'm trying to say is that it really sounds like shit).
If that is not bad enough, the little screen is hard to decipher, and you have to stroll through lots and lots of stuff to get where you want.

Depending on your budget, there are many better options.

Also - Totally agree with Ed's opinion. The lowest priced digital console on the market which is fully functional at reasonable quality and has functional, accurate automation, is Mackie's D8B, which is really pretty amazing for the money. There is nothing cheaper which comes anywhere near it, and to better it (be it substantially), you'd have to double the price and look in the 20.000 bracket, at the new Sony DMX R-100, which is an outstanding console. Better - now you're talking 200.000 plus.

There is another thing which I hear very often - people saying they'll get a console now, so they can use it to monitor through when they get a DAW, like Pro Tools.
SAVE YOUR MONEY!! Why does everyone think you need a console as well as Pro Tools? You don't! You'd spend your money a lot better if you'd just buy some good preamps instead.
Your Pro Tools I/O's L&R feed the monitors, if you want to make it really perfect, use a 2 channel D/A converter as the "last stop" before your monitors, as a volume control and for ultimate sound quality.

Other alternative, Control 24 comes with a complete analogue section, for multiple configurations of monitoring, stereo as well as various surround, a couple of directs and 16 Focusrite Preamps.

Just some idea's - here's another one, if you want to stay cheaper, what about an A & H and a Mackie 29/96 recorder?
 
I know that behringers pa mixers arent the top reccomended pieces here but what about the eurodesk, at 2000.00 for 48 tracks is it good because I could afford that and 2 Alesis hd24s if they ship?
 
I've used a D8b plenty of times...and find that it really is a fantastic mixer...BUT, I don't like scrolling, flipping, juggling stuff...If I want to do something in an instant...reach over, grab the knob and walla... Yes, you can do MUCH more with the Mackie..imo, but it is fine for home setups...when you have customers there, it becomes a pain in the ass...except the customers have no idea how to get a sound out of the board..so "fader grabbing" is not happening!! Buying now with the intention of upgrading in the NEAR future is a joke! I'd find a GOOD used console, pay a tech to check it out, a couple of recorders (your choice) and be done with it. When you want to upgrade...they'll be a new fancy machine out at that point in time....which isn't even invented yet!
 
Yamaha is very noisy console, because it's made for PA applications ( halls, churches ), so focus was on snapshot memory and fast memory recall, not studio sound quality.
 
I have one. I like it.

I have both analog and digital in my home set-up.

As to the O1V being noisey I would have to disagree. Extremely quiet.

I specialize in Folk & Roots music. I have a small sound and lighting company in addition to my project studio. The O1V gets a real workout with me. I looked at a number of options before deciding to go digital. I have not regretted this purchase.

I would caution you about one thing. If you end up using any of the digital outs make sure to select the dithering at the bit rate your using. For live recordings I use DA38's and in the studio I have the Digi 001. I have to make sure to set dithering on at 16 bits for the DA38's otherwise you get that grainy sounding truncation of the digital signal. The first couple of live recordings sounded off until I figured this one out. Even though the analog outs sounded great. For the 001 I select 24bits. This is important even for the 001. Although the converters are only 20 bit, all processing is done at 32 bit. If you have levels set at anything other than 0db you have some math going on here. Add EQ or dynamics and again more processing. Selecting the right bit rate for the digital outs makes a huge difference.

Just another perspective from someone that has one.

Don Goguen
Folk Cafe Productions
 
I use Yamaha 01 as a monitoring router here at CroRec ( analog inputs / outputs ), and i have worked on 02R in another studio. They are noisy when you crank them up. Old type converters, just like in Yamaha DSP factory soundcard.
 
"They are noisy when you crank them up."

Sounds like you have other issues. I don't use mine for much line signal and what little I do is +4 . I'm using mostly mic inputs for both PA and recording. While not a $50k console it's not any worse than a Mackie 1604. Very little is as versitile as this for the money.

I can only imagine what kind of signal your working with that would need so much gain as to cause the O1V to have the kind of noise floor you indicate.

Again it sounds as though we are using them differently.

Don Goguen
Folk Cafe Productions
 
Folk, with all due respect, the 01's are entirely outdated and inferior to many products now on the market. To purchase one now would be like going into a store and buying a 3 year old computer :)
 
You are right. Yamaha is definitly better than any small Mackie, and rules in home setup.
 
Sjoko2

Respect? This is an internet forum isn't it. Besides I could be all wet.

I do have a question for you though. What else for $1350 can you get that will out perform it. (features, ease of use...) The selection of small digital mixers in this price range is somewhat limited.

In other forums I might try to sell up when giving gear suggestions. The name of this forum is homerecording and my replies generally reflect that. I respond to the level at which the question is being asked.

Perhaps you are right though, technology marches on. One possible perspective might be to wait for the next wave. I'd love to upgrade to a larger format digital console for live on the lines of the O1V but 8 buss, 24 mic pre's, more option slots and more horse power. The only problem is I see none of it on the horizon. Unfortunately my budget won't allow a Sony Oxford and
I doubt it would perform well live.

If you have any juicey info on something in the works please give out the scoop on it. I'm ready to write the check. You see, I too am waiting for something that's just not available yet.

Don Goguen
You know the rest..(it's a folk thing)
 
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Hey Don,
You are totally right. I didn't take money / cost into consideration at all, just sonic quality.
(I once spend 3 extremely frustrating weeks scoring the track for a feature film on 2 02R's, that was enough to turn me off them forever!).

You are also right in saying that there is nothing else suitable in that price range, especially if you want to use it for live work.
Move up a bit, well, a bit..... and the Ramsa WR-DA7 might be a good option. At least it does sound good.

To be honest - I cannot see a lot of sense in doing the digital thing live, unless you can do it with at least the same quality as you can achieve analogue. Why go through 2 (bad) conversions?
If you want to do digital right live, you'd start at well over 100k!
 
I find it amazing that most cannot hear the lousy DSP on Yamaha consoles! I could give a rats hindquarters about "cost vs. options" crap. THAT is for the salesmen to use to sell you that garbage.

Like sjoko2, I have worked on the O2R extensively, and have been frustrated the whole time trying to get it to do something the resembles what even a Mackie 32/8 can do! How is THAT for a comparison. I HATE Mackies, but would die to use one in place of a O2R for mixing.

The O2R was never marketed as a "live" console from what I have seen. Yet, it seems to lack some very crucial features as a recording desk.

Anyway, all subjective. I suppose a lot of you track so badly that you need all that automation and recall. One day the asthetics of sound will finally interest you, and you will realize that cheap gear sound cheap.

Ed
 
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