what is the newest OS i can upgrade to?

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i am getting sick of win98 and all of its problems. i am using a delta 44 and samplitude... what is the newest OS that i can upgrade to with the current range of delta drivers? windows 2000?

whatever the OS is, please give pros and cons if possible
 
WinXP is a consumer subset of Win2K with bells and whistles that the great unwashed masses like. Go with the OS that has the most stable drivers, which in this case most likely means go with Win2K.
 
wheelema said:
WinXP is a consumer subset of Win2K with bells and whistles that the great unwashed masses like. Go with the OS that has the most stable drivers, which in this case most likely means go with Win2K.
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I thought that until I actually tried XP. Have you used it or are you just quoting other people's remarks without making your own conclusions?

It has been running on my system for 3 weeks with no problems. I use DAW software as well as digital video apps and 3D Graphics Modelling programs (Rhino, 3D Studio Max). Turns out driver availability is something MS addressed - all Win2000 drivers work with XP - I know, I used the Win2000 SB Live drivers with XP with no problems.

FYI, XP Professional is the direct replacement for 2000, so your subset statement only applies to XP Home.
 
All I will add is that while I am still using Win98 myself, a number of my friends have switched to XP, and without exception they are all loving it. And while none of them are audio freaks, most of them are IT professionals who are slow to impress and quick to spot problems.
The last time I can remember a new Microsoft OS with so few reported problems was... Windows 98.
 
I've had many of my friends upgrade to XP. they are love it!!! However I'm going to stick with my stable windows2000. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I've had this operating system on my computer for about two months now and it' given me no problems what so ever. It's come close to crashing a fewtimes but it manages to stablelize in a short amount of time. Xp and Windows 2k are equally good chioces.
 
ok, well, my friend has xp. it looks too, i dont know, colourful. too much stuff going on that seems totally and utterly useles... so you guys recommend win 2000 then? any specific version?

thanks
 
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WinXP is a consumer subset of Win2K with bells and whistles that the great unwashed masses like. Go with the OS that has the most stable drivers, which in this case most likely means go with Win2K.
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Hmm, I feel that win2k is just abelly whistley version of 98. but in all reality i'd look around for a suitable free bsd :)

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Angermeyer
 
Angermeyer said:
Hmm, I feel that win2k is just abelly whistley version of 98.
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98 and 2k don't share a line of code (maybe not completely true but anyway) and they worlds apart.
 
Angermeyer said:
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WinXP is a consumer subset of Win2K with bells and whistles that the great unwashed masses like. Go with the OS that has the most stable drivers, which in this case most likely means go with Win2K.
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Hmm, I feel that win2k is just abelly whistley version of 98. but in all reality i'd look around for a suitable free bsd :)

Expand your minds
Angermeyer
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You just proved you don't have the faintest understanding of the 2 OS's.

Windows 98 - comes from DOS which came from CP/M. It was coded for the most part in Assembly
Windows 2000 - comes from Digital VMS & Unix & OS/2. Was completely coded in C++

Go do some reading before you make silly comments like that.
 
I wouldnt have a go at him for that.

Most of us here are musicians turned engineers, and not computer scientists.

To the untold, 2K does look a like version of 98 with bells and whistles. So, for someone who isn't a comp sci, it ISN'T a silly comment. Admittedly, it's a fancy version of NT with bells and whistles.

His further point that lucid should stick to an OS where the drivers are perfectly stable is good and valid point.

If we all went on a rant every time someone got some information wrong on this bbs, then no-one would post, as they'd be too scared of the repurcusions.

Surely, there are better ways of correcting someone rather than bitching at them.


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Shit thanks, bit my head off.
The guy doesn't sound like he is too damn concerned about where the os is spawned from. And sorry if i was unclear, but i mean win2k is belly and whistely in the sense of basic ui, and that is what windows is about. Lot of code goes into frilly msn messenger icons. But yes the coding and format comes into play when you want to run an application and since I have no problems with any of mine (CEP, Calkwalk, Quartz AM P) 98 is just fine. Trick with 98, keep it simple and if you aren't sure about a driver for anything burn it in the microwave.

And im sorry if i speak from experiance and not from some microsoft spech sheet.

Good day.
Angermeyer
 
this may sound silly but i hate the look of xp. so cartoonish. it doesn't look serious.

but anyway, windows 2000 looks and feels very similar o 98 (to me anyway) albeit more stable. and that is what i want really. 98 is messig up way too much. am upgrading soon anyway, so i am going to wip emy disks clean and install the OS on clean disks.

does anyone knwo if the delta win2000 drivers work well? thanks
 
I use XP, I used 2k before. I ran them both since beta. XP is the way go. More stable, faster and the Fisher Price interface that everybody is bitching about is an option, you can turn it off and make it look just like 2k if you wanna(I kinda like it, myself).

Delta has good XP drivers. And eveything I have tried to run in it has worked flawlessly.
 
brzilian and angermeyer,

I am a computer science geek, not a sound engineer or musician (mores the pity). 22 years among the damned.

I believe (visualize me getting down on my knees and raising my arms to heaven here), I BELIEVE in manufacturer support. I hate (here I'm shaking my fist at hell), I HATE bleeding edge.

I have not seen any Unix drivers yet from the majors, and I am not about to take a stab at writing my own. If your solid in your C#, C++, and x86 assembler, go for it.

Otherwise, go with the OS that has the best, most, stable drivers available for it. Period.

Anything else is lunacy or proves that you have WAY too much free time to muck around and figure things out.

Been there, done that.

Next!
 
As another hard-core geek, I have to agree with wheelema. Go with the newest OS which has working DRIVER SUPPORT for your stuff.

Just for the record, here is the rundown on windows versions -

The Windows 95 "family"

Windows 3.1 - Just a shiny screen in front of DOS 6
Windows 95 - Based on the DOS kernal (i.e. basic guts), it however intruced real 32 bit code and memory management, as well as plug-n-play.
Windows 98 - better plug-n-play, better memory management, I like to call it "Windows 95 that works"
Windows Millenium - Could have been called Windows 99. Uses the Win 2000 user interface, but still basicly Windows 98. Has some nice features for people who like digital photography.

The Windows NT "family"

Windows NT 3.5 - The first. Uses a different, pure 32 bit program kernal. therefore has poor compatibility with DOS programs. Uses windows 3.1 interface. no plug-n-play
Windows NT 4 - Many improvements, uses Windows 95 interface.
Windows 2000 - Could be called NT 5. New interface, better memory management, introduced limited plug-n-play.
Windows XP - Could be called NT 5.1. A totally new interface, as lucid says you either like it or not. Better plug-n-play, much better compatibility with Win95 family applications (you can set up particular programs to "emulate" an older OS.

Hope this helps you make your choice...
 
wheelma, thanx for your input and angermeyer, I apologize for my post.

I am just really frustrated about the computer "culture" MS has created with their products and how the vast majority of people do not understand the tools in front of them. They way I look at it, a computer is something like a car. It requires training and responsiblity to be used correctly, otherwise it can be very dangerous to yourself (as in your data) as well as others.

As somebody who works with computers in the wokplace (not by choice - I am a designer who just happens to have taken 2 years of computer engineering and knows too much and didn't keep my mouth shut) I get very annoyed by people's extreme lack of understanding of what is on their desk because it makes my workday all that much more of a chore than anything else. You can only repeat yourself so many times and make people get it before getting fed up. I guess I could never be a teacher....

As much as I also hate current MS corporate/licencing policies, it drives me crazy to no extent when people say "Just use Linux/BSD" because as a "fringe" user - one who does not use my PC for manstream usage (Word processing, Internet Browsing, etc..), there just is no major support for what we do. Hopefully that will change someday.

Back in college, I did the Linux thing as well - you know why it came off my HD 3 months later? It was useless for me!

An OS is nothing on its own and will not be succesfull until there are tools/apps written for it that let people do things and be productive. So far, MS is the winner there.
 
oh so you can turn the 'fisher price' theme off? how?

well, if it looks like win2k but is a whole lot better, then i may as well go with xp... since delta has xp drivers, and since i will be upgrading to an AMD XP (with supposedly is optimised for win xp right?) i may as well...


what are the different versions of XP and which one should i get? thanks...
 
lucid said:
oh so you can turn the 'fisher price' theme off? how?
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Just go to Display Properties. The Themes tab is the default tab, and you can select between "Windows XP" and "Windows Classic". "Windows Classic" is the look from Windows 2000. And if you're REALLY a freak, you can select the "Windows Classic" theme and then go to the Appearance tab and actually select the old Windows 98 color/font scheme...

I should point out that you can actually have Windows XP use any GUI skins you want, since it uses the WindowBlind engine. I downloaded a MacOS skin the other day, which was too weird for me. :) To use third-party skins, you have to download the WindowBlind program which will let you apply them.

You can even change the new XP Start Menu back to the Classic Start Menu. Basically, you can make everything function just like Windows 2000, which is less taxing on your CPU anyway. In fact, the only graphical effect I have turned on is ClearType, because it makes things so much easier for me to read.

Or you can let Windows choose the graphical effects according to your system specs, but whenever I do that, it just turns on all the effects anyway. :)

what are the different versions of XP and which one should i get? thanks...
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The difference between Professional and Home Edition is mostly the addition of some networking features in Professional. It depends on what you need, but both are based on the same kernel and function exactly the same way.

Windows XP is much better than Windows 98; that's a given. The OS is actually faster than Win98 was on my computer, and I'm running a PII 266Mhz with 96MB of RAM! Don't know how others have fared, but I'm very satisfied with upgrading.

I agree with the guy above who says that an OS isn't worth it if it's not USABLE! I had Slackware Linux 8 installed, but couldn't do much with it except play with KDE and compile new kernel versions. Although, some interesting sound programs are being developed for Linux, which can be found at http://www.linuxsound.at I have a feeling that someday, Linux will be a very viable contender for a DAW.

- bonch
stay animated
 
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