What is a Mic Pre for?

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Hello,

It may sound like a dumb question, but I have been having a heated debate with my co creators on the topic of mic Pre's. We are all beginners and just starting to get into discussions of the rack.

We are using a mish mash of hi and low end euipment , drum machines with a E16track Fostex analog machine and mixer. No computers (yet)
Our fanciest piece of equip is an avalon pre amp . We got it to use with a class a vocal mic which worlks wonderfully together, the vocals lay down right in the pocket.
My question is, do you record everything (drums, guitars, symbols , kick , bass ) all using the mic pre? Is that how you do it?

And is a mic pre considered an effect? If it alters the sound is it an effect? Does a mic pre just make things sound bigger?

Should we use the avalon to record the drum machines?
 
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Mic pres boost the low low signal of a mic. It makes the signal balanced. If your drum machine has balanced outs, you dont need a mic pre.
 
Balanced means it's got 3 conductors on the output. Tip/Ring/Sleeve. TRS. It probably doesn't need to be balanced. Just plug the outs into a couple of the line ins on your mixer or deck, and tweak the levels. You might be able to run through your Avalon, if it's got DI 1/4" jacks. Should make it better than just straight to the mixer. But it's probably just a mono pre, so like I said before, straight to the mixer.
 
yetipur said:
Our fanciest piece of equip is an avalon pre amp .
You don't hear much about the Avalon around here, most people go for the DMP or RNP... I'd be glad to trade you if you want to "upgrade" to that... :D
 
are you joking?

you own an avalon but don't know what a mic pre is ???

wow. co creators, as in theres multiple of you's, that spend nearly $2000 on a preamp and dont know what it does?
 
ok ok ok nevertheless. mic emits an incredibly low sigal -> preamp boosts the signal -> recorder remembers boosted signal.

like they said, if it is balanced, no need.

if it is unbalanced, you would typically put it thru a DI- Direct input, which in actuality, is a preamp for 'line' equiptment, i guess you could say. most DI boxes have a TS input and an XLR or TRS output.

your avalon may have a DI, im not sure exactly which one you have, or if any of them do at all.
 
TragikRemix said:
are you joking?

you own an avalon but don't know what a mic pre is ???
That makes me want to cry.

Was this thing given to you, or did you guys actually drop the cash for an Avalon not knowing what it was? I'm not saying anybody's stupid here, I'm just jealous... I like my DMP-3's, but I have a sneaking suspicion the Avalon is in another class of quality... *sigh*

...maybe someday, Avalon. *someday* :)
 
That was my thought.......you guys have all this Sears gear, and then you throw in an Avalon preamp?
 
nice to see i wasnt the only one going, "WTF"..

ill trade ya.. ive got a nice Class A Behringer compressor that will make your vocals sound 10000000x better than that stupid avalon.
 
there ya go :)
avalons have DI's. i dont own one so i wouldnt know, but MCI has confirmed my suspicion.

now i must get back to procrastinating doing my homework.
 
notbradsohner said:
Mic pres boost the low low signal of a mic. It makes the signal balanced. If your drum machine has balanced outs, you dont need a mic pre.
Even if it was unbalanced it still wouldn't need a mic pre. Most drum machines and most synths for that matter have a Line Level output. Most do. I'm sure someone will mention some obscure piece of equipment that doesn't.
 
yetipur said:
Hello,

It may sound like a dumb question, but I have been having a heated debate with my co creators on the topic of mic Pre's. We are all beginners and just starting to get into discussions of the rack.
Oh boy, here we go.

yetipur said:
We are using a mish mash of hi and low end euipment , drum machines with a E16track Fostex analog machine and mixer. No computers (yet)
And so it begins.....

yetipur said:
Our fanciest piece of equip is an avalon pre amp . We got it to use with a class a vocal mic which worlks wonderfully together, the vocals lay down right in the pocket.
You are correct, Sir.

yetipur said:
My question is, do you record everything (drums, guitars, symbols , kick , bass ) all using the mic pre? Is that how you do it?
Not usually. An Avalon VT-737 for example is used mostly for vocals and and could be used as a DI for guitars and bass, but the latter is overkill. An Avalon M5 is strictly a Mic Pre-Amp. Used only for vocals and to mike up acoustic instruments.

yetipur said:
And is a mic pre considered an effect? If it alters the sound is it an effect? Does a mic pre just make things sound bigger?
No. Effects are reverb, flanger, chorus, wah, delay.

yetipur said:
Should we use the avalon to record the drum machines?
No. Come out of the drum machines line outputs and into the line inputs of your mixer or multi-track recording device.
 
TragikRemix said:
if it is unbalanced, you would typically put it thru a DI- Direct input, which in actuality, is a preamp for 'line' equiptment
Let me clarify that for you, friend. A DI Box takes an unbalanced, High Impedence (Hi Z), Line Level audio signal coming from let's say an electric guitar or electric bass (without going through an amp) and turns it into a balanced, Low Impedence (Lo Z), MIC Level signal. You are correct about the 1/4" TS plug to a Male XLR. This, is gospel.
 
Thanks for the info , feel sorry for those of you who are jaded

I want to thank all of you for your information and taking to time to answer my questions. I've asked many on this board all over the place infact.
Some of you have been awesome and I appreciate it big time. But this disturbs me a bit.
http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=232650

Yes I am a newbie to home recording , I am a songwriter who wants control of the recording process, but, I am not an engineer.
Trust me, If I were in a position to have a Jeff Emerick, or Butch Vig, or Sardy on my team I wouldnt be posting questions here.
Hopefully someday when I have the knowlege that some of you who answered my questions have, I will either
A. Wont be hanging around on this board because I will be too busy recording masterpieces or having someone else who knows better recording masterpieces
or B. I will come to this board wanting to share my wealth of knowlege and teach newbies like myself the arts of recording because I care, and because I can answer questions

hey, I have a sense of humor and can laugh at how stupid some of my questions may be to some of you, sure, but the last time I checked,
this was a forum where beginners could ask questions, not to be judged for what equipment I have or what I do or do not know about recording.
Is there a law that says you must know everything about a piece of equipment to own it, to be worthy?
So what, we have an Avalon,(some other dude here, said he has 3!) and although I dont know everything about it, I know enough to know it was worth buying . Just because I didnt know all the ways I should or should not use it doesnt mean I can't own it or can't ask questions about it.
What's the saying? "you don't have to know everything, to do something"
Well we are doing it people, we are making a self produced , self engineered, self mixed, self recorded, self written, self mixed, self everything recording. And of course I am not saying that makes us special, but give me break. Do I have to explain that
3 people scrounged to pay for the avalon, do I have to justify that to anyone here? I am sure my avalon is peanuts compared to how much money people have spent on recoprding equip in these forums.
I'll tell you what we DONT have, we dont have a computer or expensive software programs, we dont have expensive instruments and monitors and some high tech studio. We allocated money to the part of "our" unique home set up to where we thought it would count the most for "our " unique sound and style of our group and what we couold afford. We are a band , just trying to record our own shit people! thats all. So what if we are mixing sears equipment with hoity toity equipment, thats what makes us creative, thats what makes us original or unique. Rules are made to be broken, especially in music and in recording. If you dont like it then thats your opinion, fine with me. I don't do everything by the book.
All you haters made assumptions and comments that make you look like sarcastic jaded bitter recording artists who are most likely the people with thousands of dollars in recording euipment at home and know alot about alot of things. so what.
What you don't know is that scoffing at me isn't going to make you better or your recordings better or your songs better and it isnt going to stop me from continuing to record and excersise my right to be clever, innovative and niave. so what.
 
cusebassman said:
TragikRemix said:
are you joking?

you own an avalon but don't know what a mic pre is ???

That makes me want to cry.

Was this thing given to you, or did you guys actually drop the cash for an Avalon not knowing what it was? I'm not saying anybody's stupid here, I'm just jealous... I like my DMP-3's, but I have a sneaking suspicion the Avalon is in another class of quality... *sigh*

...maybe someday, Avalon. *someday* :)
 
Dont think anyone was insulting you/having a go mate - Think it was more at the fact you shelled out alot of cash on a top piece of kit that you didn't really understand the full use for..

Either way, hope you've got it sorted and hopefully wont stop using these boards :)
 
i still think its insane to own an avalon and not know what it does.

werd. i aint hatin', just got that 'wtf' look on my face.
 
OK Fair enough. But the the fact that you had to scrimp and save for the Avalon is all the more reason to RESEARCH your purchase. It's usually folks who have too much money and no sense dropping big bucks on stuff they don't understand (see Digital Camera forums for folks buying a Canon 5D and a 24-70mm f/2.8 without knowing what the 2.8 means)

In all the time it took to save up for the Avalon, maybe you should have been reading up on WHAT the Avalon is!
 
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