What is a good vocal mic to buy?

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DJL said:
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"Sure, they outsell our other models, but the other models sell quite well."

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"The B1, B3 and C1 are non profit items for us"

If your B1, B3, and C1 are your biggest selling mic's and the B1, B3 and C1 are non profit items for you ---- can you see how I'm having a hard time uderstanding this? Please explain it to me as if I was a stockholder/investor?

Uhhh, that would be no, I don't, and my company is not public, so I don't have to explain anything I do. Just take the reductions as a good thing, or start a mic company and do things your way...:D

I am sure eveyone else is happy to be able to buy mics at a better deal!!
 
theletterq said:
I'm also betting (but of course don't know for a fact) that if you took the two apart the NTK would win hands down in the quality of engineering department.

:o I'll take ya up on that bet going the other way... :cool:
 
alanhyatt said:
Uhhh, that would be no, I don't, and my company is not public, so I don't have to explain anything I do. Just take the reductions as a good thing, or start a mic company and do things your way...:D

I am sure eveyone else is happy to be able to buy mics at a better deal!!

Oh well, it seemed like a logical question and I was just curious, I'm sorry if I offended you.
 
DJL said:
Oh well, it seemed like a logical question and I was just curious, I'm sorry if I offended you.

No offence taken! No one ever questioned why a mic was being reduced in price before as if it was a bad thing to do!

Believe me, we know what we are doing here...just understand that you don't know my motives or why I do things, and for me, money is not my motivation.

To know me is understand me. I was able to retire 5 years ago, but I want to leave my mark on this industry and set my company up for my sons to take over. For me, its about being the best I can be and offer our customers the best there is for the price they pay.......
 
theletterq said:
[B (but of course don't know for a fact) that if you took the two apart the NTK would win hands down in the quality As for it being darker, I'm sick of "bright", "hyped" mics.

My opinion of course. :) [/B]

The NTK is not built any better, nor does it use better components. The capsule quite frankly is an exact copy of a Neumann edge terminated capsule which happens to have a dark sound. I know because our factory builds them for RODE!

We intentionally did not want another dark sounding mic, as we are sick of "dark, hyped" mics... that need to be EQ'd all the time... :eek:

No disrespect, the fact is you like a dark sound, while others like something else. All you need to say is you prefer darker sounding mics..., but you know nothing about the designs or build of them, and as such you should not comment on what you do not know.

Of course you can comment, but then you would be wrong..:D
 
The NTK is not dark at all. It adds a sheen to vocals and acoustic. I haven't used the T3, but if the NTK isn't bright enough for you, you must like your mics pretty damn bright.
 
I love how people don't actually read posts on here. Nowhere did I say that the NTK uses better quality components than the T3. I won't explain, read it again and you should hopefully see.

My real reason for posting was to gather some information that confirmed what I needed to know. Thank you for your time...
:D
 
cominginsecond said:
The NTK is not dark at all. It adds a sheen to vocals and acoustic. I haven't used the T3, but if the NTK isn't bright enough for you, you must like your mics pretty damn bright.

Oh yeah, that too.
 
Allan question for you ..... when will Guitar Center or Sam Ash carry your Mic's or will they ever. I live in North/Central New Jersey and can't find a dealer around here who carries your Mic's. I did go to 8th street in Philadelphia at the end of last the year to buy something and they carried your mic's but had none in stock but that was a 80-90 mile trip each way for me for me. Do you know any dealers in Northern New Jersey who carry your products?
 
iwanarock said:
Allan question for you ..... when will Guitar Center or Sam Ash carry your Mic's or will they ever. I live in North/Central New Jersey and can't find a dealer around here who carries your Mic's. I did go to 8th street in Philadelphia at the end of last the year to buy something and they carried your mic's but had none in stock but that was a 80-90 mile trip each way for me for me. Do you know any dealers in Northern New Jersey who carry your products?

We have typically stayed away from GC and Sam Ash. New York and New Jersey are problem areas, but we continue to look for a supportive dealer there. We had a good guy, but he went out of business, so that ended that. I am sure we will find one soon.
 
alanhyatt said:
No offence taken! No one ever questioned why a mic was being reduced in price before as if it was a bad thing to do!

Believe me, we know what we are doing here...just understand that you don't know my motives or why I do things, and for me, money is not my motivation.

To know me is understand me. I was able to retire 5 years ago, but I want to leave my mark on this industry and set my company up for my sons to take over. For me, its about being the best I can be and offer our customers the best there is for the price they pay.......

I don't know if that is good or bad for you, that's why I was asking. It just didn't make 'cents'. :(

Now it seems while the factory and the dealers are making money with the B1, B3, and C1 mic's, it's only you and your sons who are not. :( Bummer.

Now that I think about it more, if you drop the price of the C3 and etc, it's kind of a bummer for previous C3, T3, TB1 and VTB-1 owners as we see our idem's just drop in value. But, I guess that just the way the cookie crumbles. The only thing is, if your just breaking even (no profit) with the B1, B3, and C1 already, and you lower the price of the C3, I don't see how you'll make any money? I know you said it's not about money, but you also talk about the business for your sons? I'm confused?

You've got to do what you think is best. Keep doing the right thing and I wish you and your sons the best. :)
 
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Strange as it may sound I'm glad I paid $180 for the VTB-1.
Having it sooner then later gave me time to experiment with different
microphones and hear more of how they really sounded.

Something I recently learned was that some mastering engineers
like John Vestman at www.johnvestman.com actually prefer brighter
microphones because by the time you add compression you're
less likely to need EQing as compression tends to dull the sound
source anyway. The other main remaining issue is sibilance on some
singers, and he recomends a de-esser to take care of that.
Especially helpful in rock and R&B styles where you need a vocal to
cut through a heavy mix of drums and electric guitars, etc. BTW.

Another factor is most of us aren't using a Pultec, Speck, or GML to EQ with,
so we're better off cutting offending frequencies, rather than boosting
to get the sound we're after with a microphone so it seems more
natural-certainly is you're limited to a Behringer mixer right now!

Another thing to keep in mind is the sound of a given microphone in a
mix, rather than in isolation. Only a few of the resident pro's here,
like Alan, Harvey Gerst, or Bruce "Blue Bear" would realistically be
competent to judge that, who have paid their pro studio dues.

I certainly wouldn't categorize the C1 as "harsh", whereas others like
the Rode NT-1 (original model), and the AKG C3000 are known to pro
engineers that have used them to be somewhat harsh on most vocals.

The VTB-1 at only around $129 is a no-brainer, and you could use
the balance left over from the $400 budget to get one of the microphones,
we've been discussing, to try out and see if you like it enough to keep.

Chris
 
Hey Alan if you find a new dealer in Northern Jersey at some point, which I hope you do, would you please post it to the site or send me an e-mail to let me know. It would be much appreciated. And thanks for reponding to my question.
 
alanhyatt said:
and my company is not public, so I don't have to explain anything I do. Just take the reductions as a good thing

Let me get this straight here . . . you are not making a profit on something, which to my knowlege is otherwise known as preditory pricing.

What it does is it forces legitimate businesses (ones that need to make a profit in order to survive) to cut their prices untill they no longer make money and eventually have to let go of their workers (many of whom have families), and eventually fold.

Forgive me for speaking up, but I don't particularly view that as a good thing. :D And yes, you may have to explain that to someone at some point, since last I checked, it's an illegal practice in this country if I'm not mistaken. At the very least it's pretty unethical.
 
Feeling rambunctious today, are we? :D

I'd imagine a business as large and succesful as PMI Audio would be doing things legally; well, enough to where us consumers needn't be on the hunt or even monitoring!

As for ethics... To each their own... To each how they want to view things...
 
chessrock said:
Let me get this straight here . . . you are not making a profit on something, which to my knowlege is otherwise known as preditory pricing.

What it does is it forces legitimate businesses (ones that need to make a profit in order to survive) to cut their prices untill they no longer make money and eventually have to let go of their workers (many of whom have families), and eventually fold.

Forgive me for speaking up, but I don't particularly view that as a good thing. :D And yes, you may have to explain that to someone at some point, since last I checked, it's an illegal practice in this country if I'm not mistaken. At the very least it's pretty unethical.

For you, I will make an exception. I will raise my prices 35%....:)

Legitimate businesses are just like mine. Trying to meet the customer demand. If they can't compete, what can I say...not my fault. Where you get illegal from is beyond me. The world is changing Chessrock...for us to survive, we have to give it what it wants, or close the doors.

Yes, we make very little profit on some models, so in order to keep it somewhat profitable, you have to sell a good deal of them. To do that, you have to offer a good price. We think we are doing this. Reducing a few models will not kill off other businesses...but it will make more sales and that is what we need to do based on the quantities we build.
 
I just bought a B1 to piss Chessrock off!

Seriously, it's a fine microphone.
Thanks Alan.

Chris
 
chessparov said:
I just bought a B1 to piss Chessrock off!

Seriously, it's a fine microphone.
Thanks Alan.

Chris

Thanks Chess...Its pretty amazing what you can do with a mic for just $79.00... We tried real hard to make it totally different than the C Series, and I think we acheived what we were after.

I know this is a bold statement, but I hope the B1 becomes the SM57/58 kind of mic in the large diaphragm market. I do believe we will sell a good deal of them, and it seems to be the right mic to shove a few off them in your road case as well for micing drums and guitar amps for live performance.

This was what I was trying to get across earlier...everyone wants more for less. If Studio Projects does give the market want it wants, someone else will.....

I am glad you like the mic. :D
 
alanhyatt said:
I know this is a bold statement, but I hope the B1 becomes the SM57/58 kind of mic in the large diaphragm market.

I think the only thing that'll prevent that from happening is that the B1 probably doesn't take too kindly to some psycho thrash-metal drummer beating it to hell and back with his sticks and the new roadie dropping it on occasion while setting-up or breaking-down; and day in and day out!

Unless there's something I don't know...
 
By the way, I didn't realize the B Series is 3 micron! Hot damn!!!
 
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