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Greg_L
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Ive made this one and the same to save time in my busy schedule
Pics please.
Pics please.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
OK, while we're at it, let's "democratize" the NBA. Fuck Mike Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird, etc. Let's just let everybody in the NBA, no matter how much talent they may or may not have, because that's what's "fair".
And while we're at it, let's democratize teaching; let's let any old idiot teach college physics or even high school math, whether they know how to add 2 and 2 together or not. (Never mind that in some school districts this isn't far from the truth now.) After all, it's only "fair" for everybody. If there's one thing the Internet has shown us, people don't think they need to know a single thing about what they're talking about in order to try and tell others how it is.
And that drunken bastard over there? Hey there's a position open for police leiutenant, let's just give it to him because it only seems "fair".
There are a couple of problems with the "simply let the public decide" argument. First is that the vast majority of the public does not WANT to decide, they just want their stuff handed to them without effort - especially when it comes to things like musical entertainment.
The Internet has not opened up any more quality niche musical acts than have been available for the past half-century. All it's done is affect the distribution of small label stuff which was always there. It's just that now one does not have to travel to their local quality record shop (which no longer exists) and look through the stax of wax for the good stuff. That has been replaced by Internet searches where one does not have to leave their desk to do it is all. Things haven't become better in quality, just easier for the lazy. Except now there's even more crap to sort through before finding find the good stuff.
Second, now that Clear Channel has all but monopolized what we hear on the broadcast radio and Sirius/XM has strightjacketed tastes into narrow silos of preference on satellite, the general public has been given extremely limited choices as to what they get to easily choose from. It's not exactly "choice" as nature intended it. We're forced to look manually on the Internet for the good stuff.
There is an advantage to age. The younger ones just have no idea what radio used to be like, when DJs were allowed to be DJs, and the really good ones didn't just play the same 200 songs over and over again based upon a computer's decisison of what will sell the most commercials. And when what they played usually reflected a Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan or New Orleans Saints behind the mic, and not just another nobody who simply knew how to use autotune and an editor to make it sound like they actually had talent.
Listening to manufactured talent is like trying to get entertainment out of a basketball game where everybody is wearing magic shoes that allow even Fat Albert to have a vertical jump of 6 feet and computerized gloves that lets a blind man make a 3-point basket every time.
There are more people alive on this planet at this moment than have been alive, dead and buried by every other generation that ever existed COMBINED. That means that there's a greater pool of talent to chose from than ever before. Why settle for publishing those with no talent? It makes as little sense as the fact that with today's digital technology we have more dynamic range to play with than ever before, yet everybody wants to cram their music into the last 5 dB. Not all new ideas are necessarily better ideas.
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And while we're at it, let's democratize teaching; let's let any old idiot teach college physics or even high school math, whether they know how to add 2 and 2 together or not. (Never mind that in some school districts this isn't far from the truth now.) After all, it's only "fair" for everybody. If there's one thing the Internet has shown us, people don't think they need to know a single thing about what they're talking about in order to try and tell others how it is.
And that drunken bastard over there? Hey there's a position open for police leiutenant, let's just give it to him because it only seems "fair".
There are a couple of problems with the "simply let the public decide" argument. First is that the vast majority of the public does not WANT to decide, they just want their stuff handed to them without effort - especially when it comes to things like musical entertainment.
The Internet has not opened up any more quality niche musical acts than have been available for the past half-century. All it's done is affect the distribution of small label stuff which was always there. It's just that now one does not have to travel to their local quality record shop (which no longer exists) and look through the stax of wax for the good stuff. That has been replaced by Internet searches where one does not have to leave their desk to do it is all. Things haven't become better in quality, just easier for the lazy. Except now there's even more crap to sort through before finding find the good stuff.
Second, now that Clear Channel has all but monopolized what we hear on the broadcast radio and Sirius/XM has strightjacketed tastes into narrow silos of preference on satellite, the general public has been given extremely limited choices as to what they get to easily choose from. It's not exactly "choice" as nature intended it. We're forced to look manually on the Internet for the good stuff.
There is an advantage to age. The younger ones just have no idea what radio used to be like, when DJs were allowed to be DJs, and the really good ones didn't just play the same 200 songs over and over again based upon a computer's decisison of what will sell the most commercials. And when what they played usually reflected a Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan or New Orleans Saints behind the mic, and not just another nobody who simply knew how to use autotune and an editor to make it sound like they actually had talent.
Listening to manufactured talent is like trying to get entertainment out of a basketball game where everybody is wearing magic shoes that allow even Fat Albert to have a vertical jump of 6 feet and computerized gloves that lets a blind man make a 3-point basket every time.
There are more people alive on this planet at this moment than have been alive, dead and buried by every other generation that ever existed COMBINED. That means that there's a greater pool of talent to chose from than ever before. Why settle for publishing those with no talent? It makes as little sense as the fact that with today's digital technology we have more dynamic range to play with than ever before, yet everybody wants to cram their music into the last 5 dB. Not all new ideas are necessarily better ideas.
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kcearl
I see deaf people
kcearl
I see deaf people
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Greg_L
Banned
Way tl/dr....
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benherron.rrr
New member
Ive got to say Amen Glen, you have summerized my feelings exactly. However I also agree with drew. Making music is so much more acsessable now, thus not only increasing the crap out there but increasing the good stuff. even thought there isnt an even ratio. Ive noticed in my short life how much faster the world moves now and how much greedier people are and unfortunatly Music is now seen as nothing more than just a bussiness. I think thats why we see so much shit! Hence why I dont think we will ever see another band like U2, The Beatles, Oasis and the many other hudge acts around. Its easier and more profitable to get some celebrity status seeking un evolved human to sign their soul over to a label, make a single and sell that then they fade away in a week. why care about quality when you can make more money? When I studied Media it really opened my eyes. Think about watching a film from the 60's and watchng one from now (think James Bond) and compare how slow movng the old ones seem from the new. I think its amazing when I turn on the TV and see a new No1 made because somone famous tells the popluation that its cool. The majority of people make/get into music to be either famous or "individual". either way its a goal to be cool. And the minority of people who make music because they enjoy doing it/have somthing worth saying are left behind because those of us arnt wanting to TELL people how to feel
kcearl
I see deaf people
they said that about skiffle music in 1836
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Greg_L
Banned
That was no summary. That shit was a phone-book.
bouldersoundguy
Well-known member
If your vocals suck then you aren't a singer.
PDP
There once was a note
True, its evolution that cant be stopped no matter how much people dont want it.
I think record deals have been about "distribution" for a long time now. Just because your on iTunes doesnt mean anyone is really hearing it.
MTV changed the industry for sure. Bands/artists with no visual appeal were all dropped within a year or a two. Years ago you only needed a few ingrediants, you need alot more now.
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dintymoore
Guest
"Being busy" means "having a life" to me.
What I notice is the "everything's fucked" attitude a lot. I think it's a reflection of where the economy is. The economy is depressed, and that causes people to get depressed and think everything is crap, that's what I meant.
I see a lot of posts and I think that's what's going on.
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Greg_L
Banned
Supercreep
Lizard People
Find another singer.
bouldersoundguy
Well-known member
Holy fuck, that was some deep insight!
Seems simple enough. If you suck at something maybe it's beyond you. Sure, with enough training and practice you could not suck so much, but maybe it would be better to find out what you can do well and do that instead.
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Greg_L
Banned
I totally agree.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
There's a concept that people with busy lives have hit upon ~ it's called "Making time". There are people that post that are dang and durned busy enough, thank you very much, with their work, children, recording, family, friends, other interests and life. They make time to post.
It's not so much that people think everything sucks today, more that everything that does suck is given an equal shot and often more so you have to wade through alot of stuff and after a while it just gets wearing !
Home recording has been a great thing with some negative by products, but more great ones. There are a whole slew of people out there who aren't particularly interested in selling units. They just love creating music, sharing it with the few who may end up liking it but essentially are like people who build vintage cars or put together motorbikes or buy the gear to do DIY or like painting pictures or taking photgraphs or whatever, with no desire to become Henry Ford or Van Gogh or David Bailey.
Speaking personally, the joy that comes when a song is created and finished is like the moment a well taken photo is developed and rinsed. I don't really care if no one ever sees it or if they do, don't catch all I may see in it.
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dintymoore
Guest
I think if you woke up and had to rush to a recording session with a great world class sax player and from there had to get the charts ready for the evening gig that was incredible and then you finally ended up home at 3 am, $2000 richer and covered in sweat and had to get ready for the 6 am tv show, you wouldn't have time to post here.
You wouldn't make time because all of those needs would be being met.
I don't mean people aren't busy, just not the right kind of busy for me.
You wouldn't make time because all of those needs would be being met.
I don't mean people aren't busy, just not the right kind of busy for me.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
You'd be surprized what a person would make time to do. Some of the busiest people have continued to spend hours writing their daily diaries.......
CFox
Banned
-Every talented person got a record deal "back in the good ole days" ? No one missed out ? Lol.
-There was no casting couch "back in the good ole days" ? No gobbies for jobbies ? Lol.
-Everything from "back in the good ole days" is worth listening to ? Huge fucking LOL.
-No "pay for play cashola" ..."back in the good ole days" ..more lols.
How would the world be better off without Taylor and her ilk ? The public loves her, we never hear about the label darlings who never leave the launch pad, because hey...they never left the launch pad ! She entertains. That's her job.
What record industry ? It's not a lack of talent that is killing it.
Personally I have no problem with socialism moving into the entertainment industry. A niche for every individual, great.
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benherron.rrr
New member
I love how people search through posts to find something to critizise.