what does a compressor do?

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I know, I know - this is obviously a rookie's question- but, what the hell does a compressor do? I've read that you use it on bass drums and snare drums and probably a hundered other places but i don't know what it is...
 
Bruce -

"ompression"???

That some new Canadian recording technique thing Shailat has been working on with you or something? :)

Ed
 
Heh-heh...

Ompressor - a new device that instead of controlling the dynamic range, it simply adds more "ooommph"! :p
(I kill me!!!)

Seems the new site s/w limits the width of hyperlink texts so they don't cause the page width to blow up (the link works fine though!)........ it caught me off-guard too when I saw it after posting, I thought I had somehow deleted part of the cut/paste of that link!

:D

Bruce
 
Oh Shit !!

sonusman said:
Bruce -

"ompression"???

That some new Canadian recording technique thing Shailat has been working on with you or something? :)

Ed

They are on to us Bruce.....You had better get here at once...I set the ompressor to 10 and the room is starting to shake....

P.S. About every second post you say "I kill me"....stop with the threats and just do it already :D
 
*TURN IT DOWN -- TURN IT DOWN*

You want the whole freakin' site to blow up????????????????????? ;) :p

Damn Shailat, I think we need to dumb down that last gain stage - take out the one we stole from the Ghost and let's yank one from a Mackie buss!!! (that one's for Ed! ;) )

:D :D
 
do those have a gain stage??? Oh I just realize, you mean the Mackie's add noise button?
 
Ooops.. my bad...

I meant "this one's for Ed and Sjoko2...!"

:D
 
No Shailat.........

...not from my Mackie!!!! Use another... I happen to like mine!!!!! ;)

:D :D
 
It's only a rumor but.......

I have heard that Mackie had asked Dolly Parton
to star in there next Add in homerecording mag, as she uses one in her home studio yet she refused on the claim that it might damage her reputation.
 
sjoko2 said:
mission completed, objective achieved :)
What mission was that, SJ2? The destruction of another Mackie??? :p

Bet you guys thought Fletcher's pic of a Blackface and Mackie 1202 impaled on a pole was righteous!!! (I think Fletcher called it "Shit on a stick!") (If you haven't seen it, check out http://www.mercenary.com/shitonastick.html)

President of EMA (End Mackie Abuse)
Bruce

:D :D
 
Naaaaaaaah it wasn't that :)
Was just trying to get you to react hehe
My new monitors have just arived! Close to an orgasmic experience!!
 
Dammit SJ2...

...keep your orgasms to yourself - you splashed my goddamn monitor when I opened this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D :D
 
Well since this thread has the attention of Bruce, Ed, and sjoko2, allow me to put a question here that I just left in the Cakewalk area. Dealing with hardware compressors vs. software plug-ins:

"Now please educate me on this - correct use of compression is an area I am quite new to, I just recently aquired one after many years of going without. Wouldn't you want to use a hardware compressor on things like bass drum and loud vocals (with high threshhold and high compression, i.e. as a limiter)? If the input is overloaded, or is way too quiet, I don't see how a plug-in is going to fix that. I have assumed that compressor plug-ins are more for musically altering a track that was well recorded, while a hardware compressor is what you use to make sure your material is well recorded to begin with."

True story - I have had a multitrack going back to my Teac 2340 around 1980, but I just recently picked up not one but TWO compressors - a DBX and a Joe Meek. Up to this point it has just been set the input as high as I can and pray for the best (if I'm playing while recording) or ride the fader (if I'm not). I'm borrowing both units for now while the owner decides if he is going to sell them to me. I am planning to keep the Joe Meek (mic preamp/compressor) permamently attached to a Rode NT1 for vocal use, while using the DBX (2 channel) through channel inserts. Now the tinkering begins....

Meanwhile I have been considering a software compressor plug-in for Cakewalk. Is there any reason to favor a plug-in over the real thing? Obviously keeping things 100% digital would be nice. I have been reading up on different types of hardware compressors, but have not found much regarding the question of hardware vs. software.

Please, any thoughts would be appreciated... R.W.
 
RW,

I think you should check out Shailat's compression page - it explains a lot.

Discounting compressor sound quality for a moment, there is no functional difference between h/w or s/w compressors. The reason you would reach for a compressor in the first place is the same whether hardware or a plug-in!

Bruce
 
Hey there,
Software vs hardware eh? Oh dear oh dear, you've opened a can of worms there.
I'm sure a lot of people will not agree with me at all but... by now most will know I'm an opinionated so-and-so anyway.
I used to have a whole collection of compressors, mainly vintage ones like LA2A's, Telefunken, Universal, as well as a bunch of DBX's etc. Got rid of them all, and bought one stereo compressor which, I think, is so far in a class of its own it makes everything else obsolete.
I will use that one for tracking some things - and please note that when I track, I always go DIRECT to tape or disk, never through a console - and I use it for mastering, if I need it.

For anything else I use software compressors. If anyone says they are not as good as hardware ones, well, lets put it like this, a while ago I saw someone mixing on a pro tools system, with a wall of good'ol compressors etc. next to him. We started talking and asked me what I used, so I told him mainly the Waves Renaissance DSP plug-in, and also the Mc.DSP Compressor Bank plug in. After he told me he had listened to them all and thought they sounded like crap, I asked him if he knew the sample delay time of each piece of tube gear he was using, and had made appropriate adjustments to all the tracks accordingly. He looked at me in total amazement.
The moral of this story was; Don't judge what some things sound like, if you cannot even hear that your tracks' timing is all over the place.

As you can imagine, if you insert an analogue compressor in a digital chain, you have to go through a DA conversion, an AD conversion, and through tubes, which slows things down a bit. By the time your signal is back with his other "track brothers and sister" your signal is at best 7 samples behind its siblings. In order to keep the track tight, you will have to move everything else back in time by 7 samples. Now this timing happens to change depending on settings...........
Get my drift?

The "old" plug-in compressors were not very good. Some of the new ones are not just good, they are brilliant. The McDSP for instance has a set of controls which allows you to emulate a bunch of good old compressors with scary precission. This includes LA2A, UREI 1176LN, Neve 2254 and the ndbx 165. What else would you want? More advantages - at least 90% less noise than their hardware mates. You can use one plug-in on multiple channels etc. No match really.

Some of your other questions. You talk about tracking, and how a plug -in could do the same there as a "comes before the system" hardware box. Simple, it does the same, you insert it in your path prior to going to disk, exactly the same.
Is your input overloaded? Why? Adjust the input level! Problem solved?

One of the few things I will normally use a compressor on is a kick drum, but even then, it depends on the drummer. Someone like Mick Fleetwood plays quite uneven in volume, so its a compression must to "smooth it out", while a drummer like Jota Morelli is like a human machine, every hit, every kick will be the same in attack, volume and velocity - no need for compression.
I hope that has been a little help.

Oh Bruce! Here's a hankie for your monitor
 
Thanks to both of you, that does explain a lot. Although because of what I am typically recording (rock band) I will probably continue to have to use my mixer rather than going "straight to disk" as sjoko2 does.

One thing I should have added to my first post: prior to a year ago I was doing everything analog, using a Fostex 8 track reel deck. As sjoko2 said, if my level was off I would just adjust it. Simply set levels so everything is hovering near 0 with the occasional peak dipping into the red, so to speak. While I knew what compressors were I was able to get along OK without one (at least I thought)

Now that I have switched to digital recording I have a new set of problems with levels. Any peaks that overload give me nasty digital distortion, so I have been setting my levels lower and lower to keep room for the peaks. Now I'm winding up with levels that are too low. Hence, my perception that compression / limiting has become a necessity I need rather than a luxury I can live without.

sjoko2 - you didn't say what brand of hardware compressor you use, but am I correct in guessing you are talking about the RNC? Also the plug-ins that you mentioned - the Waves Renaissance DSP and Mc.DSP Compressor Bank plug in, can you tell me who makes them, or give me a web link?
 
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