Blue Bear Sound
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Same sounds... but expanded front fascia controls, digital I/O, balanced and unbalanced I/O, choice of gain structure....SCLlama said:
cominginsecond
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Dick Flansen said:
If you're close micing with a dynamic you don't have to have a "nice room" just not an "awful" one. I've never had a problem with mic'ing amps in a fairly medium sized living room, and the sound of a mic'ed amp, even when you don't have a nice room, kills amp modelers, IMHO.
That being said, the bass models on the J-Station are pretty damn nice. Nicer than I can get from my old Peavey bass amp.
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littledog
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cominginsecond said:
But it helps if you have "nice neighbors".
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SCLlama
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well, I was at guitar center today, and I happend to notice a used POD Pro for $299. I was pretty suprised at the price, so I figured, what the hell! To make a long story short, I got it home, and I love this thing. Im not really a guitar player, but I do play on occasion. I feel it is a good substitution if you dont have all the money for the real thing. I'm running The outputs through spdif into my DPS24, and it seems that I can get a much more consistent sound out of the POD. My band likes to record about a song a week, and we have gigs in between, so sometimes it is hard to reproduce a sound perfectly micing a real amp. The effects arent great, but i'll probably look into an external unit for that. Anyways, I highly recommend it!
-Ryan
-Ryan
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Axe4Yahweh
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Behringer's wannabe poster child here. V-AMP2 user and very pleased for almost a year about it. I'm not very familiar with either the J-Station or the POD, but it would seem that those units would have a noise gate like the one on the V-AMP for those of you who are complaining about too much noise for serious recording. My noise gate works fine.
All the Guitars on these 3 Tunes were done using the V-AMP2. Everything form Plexi-on-Steroids to Fender Clean and everything in between:
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=1526&alid=304&20030119183728#8467
Charger;
There's a paper that comes with the V-AMP2 telling exactly who modeled each of the Factory Presets on the V-AMP2 and none of them works for Line6. They were modeled at Behringer. Behringers are capable of using POD Presets though. I thought that I would clear that up.
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All the Guitars on these 3 Tunes were done using the V-AMP2. Everything form Plexi-on-Steroids to Fender Clean and everything in between:
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=1526&alid=304&20030119183728#8467
Charger;
There's a paper that comes with the V-AMP2 telling exactly who modeled each of the Factory Presets on the V-AMP2 and none of them works for Line6. They were modeled at Behringer. Behringers are capable of using POD Presets though. I thought that I would clear that up.
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littledog
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Axe4Yahweh said:
Noise gates don't help if the noise is obtrusive enough to intrude onto the decay portions of the notes.
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Axe4Yahweh
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If there's noise at that point in my playing, I'm either making it or using it.littledog said:
It makes me wonder how many have ever played through or recorded a REAL Hi Gain Amp. Or a Clean Fender for that matter. Hiss, Growl, Snort, Pop, Breath Fire. And every old Fender I have seen or owned just loves to pick up radio stations if the room is not well shielded.
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charger
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I didn't say they used Line6's engineers. I said they modeled the Pod's sounds. Or maybe it's just coincidence that the V-amp has the same amp models and cab models as the pod. I dunno. Behringer's track record, and my in-depth trials of the V-Amp, would lead me to believe otherwise.
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Sky Pilot
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Gotta say, I passed on the POD for 1 main reason -
price/performance.
Sonically, The V-Amp2 was in the same ball park in my
comparison with the POD, and at $120, a very affordable unit.
By comparison, The POD is not. I'm not saying the POD sucks.
It's just not worth it's GC price tag - or where ever you buy.
The only time I've ever had issues with any hiss or noise,
it was because I either needed to tweak my high gain setting,
or, it was sitting to close to a computer monitor.
If someone is having noise probs, they need to experiment
with the settings. You can make any amp, or modeler hiss.
Regarding criticle recording, I have used it for just that.
And anytime I have need of an absolutely 100% pure amp tone,
and nothing else will do, well, then I will mic up an amp.
But for demo work, which is what most of us actually do for
the most part, this little blue wonder rocks.
A steal for $120. The only POD i get into nowadays is P.O.D.
Sky Pilot
price/performance.
Sonically, The V-Amp2 was in the same ball park in my
comparison with the POD, and at $120, a very affordable unit.
By comparison, The POD is not. I'm not saying the POD sucks.
It's just not worth it's GC price tag - or where ever you buy.
The only time I've ever had issues with any hiss or noise,
it was because I either needed to tweak my high gain setting,
or, it was sitting to close to a computer monitor.
If someone is having noise probs, they need to experiment
with the settings. You can make any amp, or modeler hiss.
Regarding criticle recording, I have used it for just that.
And anytime I have need of an absolutely 100% pure amp tone,
and nothing else will do, well, then I will mic up an amp.
But for demo work, which is what most of us actually do for
the most part, this little blue wonder rocks.
A steal for $120. The only POD i get into nowadays is P.O.D.
Sky Pilot
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NIelkc
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I have owned the Pod 2.0, Pod Pro, V-Amp2, and now the PodXT (I REALLY like this unit, as soon as they get some good editing software out, it will be even better). Honestly between the Pod 2.0 and the V-Amp 2 I would grab the V-Amp2, the sounds are nearly identical, and for what you get with the V-Amp2 its great, you get a "gig-bag" and a foot switch all for like $120.00, I think you "sposed" to pay for the editing software but without even looking for it the Vamp's yahoo group had the software for anyone to grab. I would tend to agree that Beh probably used alot if not all of the programing that Line6 made, and I do not agree with that at all, because belive it or not, Line6 does put thier heart and soul into thier programing.
I have also Mic'd up my Marshall DSL-401 that I used to have, but even tho I could get a killer sound, just the ease of use and quiteness (as in not having to crank an amp up) of a DI is more then worth it to me.
I have also Mic'd up my Marshall DSL-401 that I used to have, but even tho I could get a killer sound, just the ease of use and quiteness (as in not having to crank an amp up) of a DI is more then worth it to me.
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Richard Monroe
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I use POD Pro, and I'm very happy with it. It doesn't produce excessive noise like the floor unit, and has a wide variety of balanced and unbalanced I/O's, as well as S/PDIF and AES/EBU out. Yeah, you can use it as a DI, but I prefer to move air, so I run it into a power amp, then a cab, and mic the cab. Or better yet, run the line outs to the line ins of a powered reference monitor and mic the monitor. The only difference is, when I use a power amp and a Marshall cab, I use it in live mode, which defeats the cab modeler, and when I mic a monitor, I use studio mode, because the reference monitor will pretty much accurately reproduce whatever it's fed including the cab model. I tried the floor version of POD and the VAMP II, and found both excessively noisy, with the VAMP II being worse...Richie
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bostonfan2
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Richard,
how would you rate the noise level on your clean patches? dead quiet,
very low, or just much lower than the floor pod? thru my vs 2480 direct i can get dead quiet recordings , would like to do the same if the digital connection does the trick on the pod pro...thanks, Bostonfan2
how would you rate the noise level on your clean patches? dead quiet,
very low, or just much lower than the floor pod? thru my vs 2480 direct i can get dead quiet recordings , would like to do the same if the digital connection does the trick on the pod pro...thanks, Bostonfan2
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Richard Monroe
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Yo Boston, it depends on what amp model you're using. I think some real amps produce a lot of noise, and POD models them, including the noise. For clean patches, I use "tube preamp", and going out of POD Pro by S/PDIF to a VS1824CD, it's something like -60dB, not a problem at all.-Richie
sweetnubs
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the Pod is my favortie Ween album.
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HFFritz
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POD's are great. I think the user interface is much more intuitive than the Behringer V-Amp, which seems over-styled with so many lights and the guitar-like shape. One thing I noticed about the V-AMP, why is there no ON/OFF switch? That's weird.
I HIGHLY recommend the $19.95 bracket that mounts the POD on a mic stand. It is suprisingly nice to be able to play standing up while tweaking the POD controls. It also keeps the POD from taking up valuable desk/table space in the typically crowded studio when you are using it sitting down. The POD has a very long plug/transformer wire, so it moves easily around the studio.
I HIGHLY recommend the $19.95 bracket that mounts the POD on a mic stand. It is suprisingly nice to be able to play standing up while tweaking the POD controls. It also keeps the POD from taking up valuable desk/table space in the typically crowded studio when you are using it sitting down. The POD has a very long plug/transformer wire, so it moves easily around the studio.
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Ah2
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Ok so all this talk about the POD, J-Station, V-Amp etc...
Anyone use the Roger Linn Adrenalinn?
I read a review of it and checked it out on the web and it seems to have a sound all its own. Of course I have yet to check it out in person, I am going later this week to a store that actually carries one, but I wondered if anyone on this board had one.
It might compliment the V-Amp I already have, but it would be nice to get rid of the clutter and since the Adrenalinn has a drum machine in it I might be able to ditch the ol' Alesis as well.
Anyone use the Roger Linn Adrenalinn?
I read a review of it and checked it out on the web and it seems to have a sound all its own. Of course I have yet to check it out in person, I am going later this week to a store that actually carries one, but I wondered if anyone on this board had one.
It might compliment the V-Amp I already have, but it would be nice to get rid of the clutter and since the Adrenalinn has a drum machine in it I might be able to ditch the ol' Alesis as well.
SS454
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I think it's OK, I guess. It's good to jam with, but I've seen people use it at shows, and I definatly was not impressed. Maybe it was the preset he was using, but it sounded thin and overly distorted. I think all REAL guitar players have a preference of REAL amplifiers.
Speeddemon
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I'm a REAL guitarplayer, and for most demo-work I prefer a Digitech Genesis 3...SS454 said:
If you want your amp to sound better than a Gen3, you gotta have the following:
-a great amp
-a great room to track in
-a great mic to pick up that amp
Shure, big $$ studio's have all this, but this is HOMERECORDING.COM
People here don't have Neumanns lying around like old Playboy's...
People here don't have Universal Studio's Room C, they have a bedroom or a closet or something...
and yes, I know several of us out there DO have great (vintage) amps, but if the other 2 variables suck, you gotta be one hell of a technician to make a GREAT amp sound GREAT through a LESSER MIC and in a SHITTY ROOM...
I'm overgeneralizing here, but for me I can get great sounds much quicker with my Genesis 3 than with my Roland 405 and MD421 in my bedroom...
But the Genesis 3 SMOKES the POD, the J-Station AND the V-amp!
cominginsecond
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Speeddemon said:
If you close mic a great amp, with a decent mic (SM57, etc.) the room is not going to make much of a difference. I think it beats any amp simulator I've ever used, and I just have an OK amp (Fender Princeton 112). Then again I guess I haven't used the Genesis 3.
Speeddemon
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Comingsecond, I dunno how your amp is set-up, but I have to go through some hassle to get it micked up... I agree that an amp has a somewhat more '3D' sound (can't describe it any way else), but the hassle doesn't weigh up to sitting down plugging in my already hooked-up Genesis 3 and selecting one of 48 great sounds (actually 96, but 48 user presets, which are almost ALL replaced by my own patches or downloaded patches).
I got some Genesis 3 samples here:
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=1875&alid=-1
Listen especially to "Speedy Ray" and tell me if it sounds 'processed'... I think not. btw, the full mix of "Wanted Dude" features my 1 guitar through my amp, miced with a MD421 and 1 guitar through the Genesis 3... hard to tell which one is 'fake' huh?
I got some Genesis 3 samples here:
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=1875&alid=-1
Listen especially to "Speedy Ray" and tell me if it sounds 'processed'... I think not. btw, the full mix of "Wanted Dude" features my 1 guitar through my amp, miced with a MD421 and 1 guitar through the Genesis 3... hard to tell which one is 'fake' huh?