What Direct (Modeler) Setup should I get?

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Hey yall, I am wondering on what Amp I should get for recording. I know I want a Modeling amp. It doesnt even really have to be a Amp right now. I am contemplating a POD. But I am just thinking I might want somthing More. Somthing like a Vetta, or Cyber-Twin or Cyber-Deluxe. Keep in mind I cant try any of these units, I can only Mail Order (Alaska thing). I am only going to recording Direct, I can not Mic a Amp. I have a Delta-44 if any on is curious. Just wondering on what the Best thing to do is.
 
OK, just my opinion here. I have a Line6 AX2, a POD and a Johnson J Station. I love the AX2 and is my weapon of choice with a mic in front of it for recording. Next in the pecking order would be the POD. For my money the amp models in it sound better than the J Station. It's also twice as much as the J Station but the J Station has a S/PDIF output. You can get great sound out of the J Station but if I could only have one out the two choices, it'd be the POD. YMMV.
 
Well yeh the POD is kind of a Gimmie I guess. I guess I am looking for somthing a little more High End.
 
For ease of use I would vote Boss GT-6, digital outs.
Give it a look.

Effects
= Preamp/Speaker
= OD/DS
= Delay
= Chorus
= Reverb
= Wah
= EQ
= FX1 Group (one effect per patch)
Compressor, Limiter, Acoustic Guitar Simulator, Pickup Simulator, Tremolo, Slow Gear, Feedbacker, Anti-Feedbacker
Defretter
= FX2 Group (one effect per patch)
Phaser, Flanger, Harmonist, Pitch Shifter, Pedal Bend, 2 X 2 Chorus, Pan, Vibrato, Uni-V, Short Delay, Humanizer
Ring Mod, Slicer, Auto Riff, Guitar Synth, Sub Equalizer
= Noise Suppressor
= Foot Volume
= Master Patch Level
= Master BPM

COSM Preamp Types
= JC Clean
JC-120: Roland JC-120
Jazz Combo: Roland JC-120
Full Range: Flat response amp (e.g., a keyboard amp)
= TW Clean
Clean TWIN: Fender Twin Reverb
Pro Crunch: Fender Pro Reverb
Tweed: Fender Bassman 4x10" combo
= Crunch
Crunch: Crunch sound with natural distortion
Blues
Stack Crunch: Crunch sound with high gain
= VO Combo
VO Drive: Vox AC-30TB drive sound
VO Lead: Vox AC-30TB lead sound
VO Clean): Vox AC-30TB clean sound
= Match Drv
MATCH Drive: Matchless D/C-30 left input channel
MATCH Lead: Matchless D/C-30 right input channel
Fat MATCH: Matchless D/C-30 with modified high gain
= BG Lead
BG Lead: MESA/Boogie combo amp
BG Drive: MESA/Boogie with Treble Shift Switch on
BG Rhythm: MESA/Boogie rhythm channel
= MS Stack
MS1959(I): Marshall 1959 input I
MS1959(I+II): Marshall 1959 inputs I and II connected in parallel
MS HiGain: Marshall with modified midrange boost
= R-Fier
R-Fier Red: MESA/Boogie Dual Rectifier lead channel
R-Fier Orang: MESA/Boogie Dual Rectifier rhythm channel
R-Fier Vint: MESA/Boogie Rectifier with Vintage Switch on
= Hi Gain
SLDN: Soldano SLO-100
Drive Stack: Drive sound with high gain
Lead Stack: Lead sound with high gain
= Metal
5150 Drive: Peavey EVH 5150
Metal Stack: Drive sound for metal
Metal Lead: Lead sound for metal
= Custom
Custom1: Slot for saving a user-specified custom preamp setting
Custom2: Slot for saving a user-specified custom preamp setting
Custom3: Slot for saving a user-specified custom preamp setting

COSM OD/DS Types
= OD/Boost
Blues OD: BOSS BD-2 pedal
Turbo OD: BOSS OD-2 pedal
Booster: New booster that works well with COSM amps
= Dist
Distortion: Basic, traditional distortion sound
American DS: Proco RAT pedal
GUV DS: Marshall Guv’nor distortion pedal
= Classic
OD-1: BOSS OD-1 pedal
T-Scream: Ibanez TS-808 Tube Screamer pedal
DST+: MXR Distortion+ pedal
= Fuzz
'60s Fuzz: Fuzzface pedal
Oct Fuzz: Acetone Fuzz pedal
Muff Fuzz: Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi pedal
= Metal
Metal Zone: Boss MT-2 pedal
R-MAN: Rockman distortion sound
Heavy Metal: Heavy distortion sound
= Custom/External
Custom1: Slot for saving a user-specified custom OD/DS setting
Custom2: Slot for saving a user-specified custom OD/DS setting
External: Slot for connecting an external effects pedal

COSM Wah Types
= CRY Wah: 1970s Crybaby wah
= VO Wah: 1970s Vox V846 wah
= Fat Wah: Bold wah
= Light Wah: Refined, "no unusual characteristics"
= 7String Wah: Broad range of variations for 7-string guitar
= Custom1: Slot for saving a user-specified custom wah setting
= Custom2: Slot for saving a user-specified custom wah setting
= Custom3: Slot for saving a user-specified custom wah setting


Bighand[:D]
 
For Recording the Pod or Pod Pro hands down, no other seems to compare. For live situations I can't comment on anything but the Line 6 spider (excellent for smaller gigs) and the Tech 21 trade mark 60. (all around nice sound but not programable) Both work well. The trade mark 60 has a XLR out for direct mixer connections.
 
Oh yea POD...

Just re read your post and if you can not mic an amp I would suggest the POD series. IF you can afford the Pod Pro it has all the true studio quality components needed, like outputs etc. My studio is now in my home where I do jingles, sound for comercials etc... I record absolutely screeming guitars at 2:00 am without waking anyone in the house. The Pods also have great clean sounds too. Personally I think that if someone thinks the Pod does not sound good, then they are not using correctly. JMHO,

Joe
 
Tech 21 trademark 10 has a direct out and is the best modeling amp out. gt-2 if you dont need the amp part.

This unit doesnt use dsp so It sounds ten times better than the pod and other units out there.
 
darrin_h2000 said:
This unit doesnt use dsp so It sounds ten times better than the pod and other units out there.
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What...uhhhh...10 times :confused: ...i've got a POD Pro and a GT2 and i've played a Tech21 a bunch too, although i don't presently own one...and because the SansAmp does not have a DSP :confused:

wow, my experience is a lot different than yours. while i like the SansAmp stuff and use it, especially the Bass Driver DI into a BASS POD Pro, IMO SansAmp stuff is not as versatile nor as tonally robust as the POD stuff... :) ...IMO...
 
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Joe E said:
Personally I think that if someone thinks the Pod does not sound good, then they are not using correctly. JMHO,

Joe
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If that's true (and I'm not saying it isn't), then there are a LOT of people not using the Pod correctly.. I haven't heard anything that has changed my "no thanks" vote.

You might want to give the digitech series a listen.. I've got the RP100, and I'm very happy...

The downside though is that it gets a little tiring sifting through hundreds of different settings to ensure that you get the perfect sound for the song you are recording...

Cy
 
I happen to have a DGstomp which is like a pod thats built right. and I still like the modeling or emulation I get from using the tech 21 stuff. I can tell a dsp unit from a real circut with half my brain tied behind my back (I have to do that anyhow just to make it fair to you guys).:D
 
do you need a modeler or modeler/fx unit?

i guess this thread is rock-centric, but i'll chime in anyway. 90% of what i do is sweet tones (lover's rock), staccato mutes & skanks (R&B/reggae) and glassy/bell (blues) tones. every once in a while i go for the heavy distortion sound, so I got the tech 21 sansamp classic.

to me, a heavy percentage of the POD sounds are flavor of the month... i can get that flavor of the month sound from my tired old digitech rp-1 chained in before the sansamp classic just like i would with my real amp.

if you don't already have an fx processor and you don't mind printing your fx while recording, then the POD is the thing for you, but if you already have an fx processor and you are looking for something to purely replace your AMP in the chain, then i'd go with the sansamp classic.
 
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I haven't heard much discussion about the fender cyber twin as a choice for a modeling amp. I have never heard one...i was just wondering if anybody has one and if they are satisfied.
 
Cyber Twin & Cyber Deluxe

They sound great, but do they have a direct out for recording that takes in acount for the speakers no longer being in the chain?

I record wit the POD all the time, I seldom use the effects, maybe just the reverb, which is modeled after the appropriate amps as well.

The Best thing about the POD is recording direct. I always can find a sound that works well with my mix. Some times I do record the guitar direct to the Recorder and then use inserts to connect the POD. This way I can continue altering the tone to fit the mix just right after the fact.

I do use the Tech 21 Trade Mark 60 which is the big brother to the trade mark 10. But even with the direct to console output,, you loose the speaker tone quality. So you would need to mic it in the studio.

I do believe the initial post said direct recording, so micing an amp is out.
 
Boss GT-6 sample

I must admit this was my first recording on my new Delta 1010.
Used the digital out and went with a "High Gain" pre-amp.
The guitar is the Dillion on the left with the bridge pick up.

Picture
http://home.pacbell.net/markmars/gear.html

Sound file


Cant wait until I work the full features of the Delta and the GT-6 is only a couple months old too. Still tweaking.

Bighand[:D]
 
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darrin_h2000 said:
I happen to have a DGstomp which is like a pod thats built right. and I still like the modeling or emulation I get from using the tech 21 stuff. I can tell a dsp unit from a real circut with half my brain tied behind my back (I have to do that anyhow just to make it fair to you guys).:D
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hi darrin,
my DG stomp is on the way...

do you know any links for DG stomps patches.... any help is appreciated... :)

Leeking
 
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Cyrokk said:
You might want to give the digitech series a listen.. I've got the RP100, and I'm very happy...
Cy
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Frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

Fangar
 
About the GT-6, it does look interesting. And I have heard alot about it. Mainly at www.digevent.com/guitarmania the guy that hosts (Marc Seal) uses one for the show and for recording. Main thing is his type of music and the music on your Mp3 is Not anywear near to what I am going to be playing or even want to play No offence or anything, just that I was about 10years old when the 80's ended. So yes you could say I am a Nu-Metal punk, lol.
 
Tusin said:
No offence or anything, just that I was about 10years old when the 80's ended.
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It hurts to be aged. No offense taken:D Yes, my hereoes were George Lynch, Richie Blackmore, Angus, Bon Jovi type style.
Anybody watch "Musician" on Bravo last night... Tony Bennet was on, very interesting...

Tusin,
Try before you buy and you will not be dissappointed. I believe Marc Seal has a few shows he's done on Nu-Metal or Punk. Play what inspires you and listen to no one else.
 
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