What all do I need?

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So far all I know I need is a bunch of condenser mics, some software (I'm gonna be using FL Studio) and a computer to run aforementioned software.

Do I need any dynamic mics? If so what for?
And what other pieces of equipment do I need? I'll be recording an acoustic duo first (two acoustic guitars and vocals) and then a metal band after that...

Sorry for my lack of intelligence.
 
You need 'a bunch' of condensers? How many? You'll need an interface, ie something to plug all those mics into. Dynamics? Maybe, what are you recording? I think it's always good to have an sm57 and sm58 handy, they're as cheap as you can get and are good for a lot of things..
 
I would recommend getting a few good books first. Even before the condensor mics.
 
What do you need? What do you want to record?

There is no sort of prefab recording kit that works for everyone. You just have to think about what you have to record. For instance if you want to record an acoustic drum kit you'll need to record the sound from at least 4 microphones, and so you need whatever you're using to record with to have at least 4 microphone preamps!

This is only one example. Figure out all the things you need to record and then make a list of everything you need to accomplish these goals.

There are some great ideas and some good basic background information here

http://www.maximumhomerecording.com
 
FL studio probably isnt your best bet for tracking audio, its used more as a sequencer, so you might want to look into a different program for recording,

Also a huge factor is you budget, you seem to be doing a variety of styles of music (from acoustic to metal), so you'll need to decide how much you want to spend total,

books are you friends, read everything you can get your hands on, and learn as much as possible, this will make your job easier,

as far as mics, interface, monitors, ect throw out a budget and people would be more than happy to give you some recommendations.
 
My God irecordhippies! You have asked the biggest possible question in the shortest possible format. In other words, without giving any real information, you have asked for information that could fill a post the size of the Encyclopedia Brittanica! I have been working for 6 years to answer the question you have asked, and have only scratched the surface. Oh well, I'm not going to give you the answer you want. Instead, I'll take my best shot at the answer you need.

The real question is- where to begin. You sound like you have made a commitment to the concept of recording with a computer. That's fine. It's not the only way to do it, but it is a perfectly good way to do it. Because you are talking about an acoustic duo, I will address primarily recording real acoustic sound in real acoustic space, which is all I know anything about, anyway.

Advice #1- *don't spend money now*. You aren't ready to do that, and if you do it now, you'll live to regret it. First, set an initial budget, and believe me, it will grow. By semipro/project studio standards, I'm small time, and I've got almost $2000 in *cables*!
This is what I did, and in retrospect, I think I did it pretty well. First, I spent nearly a year on Homerecording.com, reading commentary, and occasionally asking stupid questions. Then I found a perfectly competent tracking engineer, hired him for $50/hr as a consultant, brought him into my ugly little room, and asked him, "How am I going to turn this space into a recording studio? What would I need to have here to create a space in which you could work?" In the course of 3 years, from that ugly little room to a final gold pressed master on its way to duplication, I probably only paid him for 8 hours of work. That $400 saved me thousands. And like the people above recommended, I bought books. I studied microphones, microphone placement, preamps, compressors, FX/EQ- before I bought a single piece of hardware. That also saved me thousands in buying the wrong gear.

Advice #2- You have to walk before you can run. Scale your plans down to what you can really afford, and build an expandable system based on solid, reliable equipment by well known and respected manufacturers. As you upgrade, most of that kind of stuff will find new uses, rather than becoming junk you sell at a loss. And if you do have to sell it, it will be easier.

Advice #3- It's all about the room. You can put a ton of world class gear in a room that sounds like shit, and world class engineers can make recordings revealing just how much your room sucks. People spend thousands on recording gear, and don't install diffusers, bass traps, baffles, etc. Expect that a significant percentage of your budget will be spent acoustically modifying the space in which you will work.

Advice #4- If you are married- get your wife involved from the beginning, or she will cut you off when she realizes that this is going to cost quite a bit of money to do well. Over the course of 6 years, my wife, the accountant, has authorized expenditures equaling the price of a new Dodge Viper. She has also become the executive producer, handling copyright law, mechanical royalties, residuals, work-for-hire agreements, and has become the artistic director, handling duplication, distribution, marketing, shipping and receiving. The list goes on and on. Did I mention that I'd marry her again in a heartbeat? Never forget to tell her that.

Advice #5- Learn to track before you try to mix. Learn to mix before you attempt mastering. It took me 3 years to become vaguely competent at tracking. I'm learning mixing now, but wouldn't remotely consider myself a mixing engineer. I wisely outsourced the mixing and mastering of my first major production, and have never regretted it.

Advice #6- Use your ears. That's what God/the gods gave them to you for. If, like most people, you have to use part of your living space for recording, as much as you can, shut out the sound of the outside world, then deal with your own space sounds. In my studio, you can't hear someone start a Harley in the driveway, and I've walked out into a thunderstorm that no one there knew was happening. However, you *can* hear the furnace, the sump pump, the fridge, the toilet, flourescent light fixtures, the cat, and even your watch. I can tell if you ate recently, and whether it involved carbonated beverages!
The better you control ambient (background) noise, the more sensitive and detailed mics you can use. That computer you want to use is really noisy, so figure out how to get the CPU out of your recording space, and into another room. Don't buy equipment with cooling fans.

Advice #7- 90% of what a tracking engineer does is select the right mic, put it in the right place, plug it into the right preamp, and then capture sound without overloading any component in the signal chain. So learn about mics, preamps, and gain-staging. Then learn some more, and some more. You will *never* know all of it, and if you keep your ears open, you will continue to hear things every day that you weren't expecting.

Advice #8- Garbage IN-Garbage OUT. Most beginning homerecorders worry about how the music will be recorded, instead of how it will be captured. If you give me a *great* signal, I can make a perfectly good recording of it on an old cassette deck. Give me a cruddy signal, and no equipment on earth will really change it. This sums up the above. Get the right mic in the right place, plugged into a good preamp, in a good room, and recording gets simple. You push the button that says "record".

Advice #9- Don't get sucked in by "tube" hype. The fact that an amp or a mic has a tube in it, does not make it better. There are great amps and awful ones, great mics and awful ones, with and without tubes. Screwdrivers are not better or worse than hacksaws.

Advice #10- the peripherals can kill your budget. You will need headphones, headphone distribution, studio monitors, tons of cables, possibly a rack for outboard gear, maybe a patch bay, furniture, high-speed CD duplication, a good instrument tuner, and of course, a Lava Lamp.The list is endless. Good mic stands are essential. Shock mounts for mics, pop filters. It will add up scary fast.

OK-all of that being said, how do you proceed? First, be patient. The more you learn before you spend money, the better spent that money will be. For basic recording, you need at least 4 simultaneous tracks, and 8 is much better. Later on, you will want more.
You will need some kind of interface with preamps that raise the weak signal of the mics to line level, and then converts it into a digital signal your computer can understand. It will most likely transfer the data by firewire, so you will need a computer that is firewire enabled. As soon as you can afford it, you will want 2 to 4 channels of mic preamps that are better quality than the ones in that interface, but that can wait until you learn to use the interface. Preamps run from $5 per channel to $5000+ per channel, so compromises will have to be made along the way.

Microphones- There are dynamic mics, including the specialized sub-category, ribbon mics, and there are condenser mics. Mics have different polar patterns, in other words, the direction or directions in which they tend to pick up sound, or not. There are large and small diaphragm mics, which respond differently to sound waves. It is a good thing to have a variety of mics, because they are like shoes- They either fit, or they don't. Cheap shoes that fit are better than expensive ones that don't. And- the best pair of ballet toe shoes are not that good for playing ice hockey. I would recommend that you begin your microphone cabinet with a couple of well made cheap dynamic mics, one higher quality badass dynamic mic, a matched pair of mid-priced small diaphragm condensers, a mid priced large diaphragm condenser, possibly tube-based, a multipattern (changes polar patterns at the touch of a switch) large diaphragm condenser mic, and a dynamic mic that is specialized for low frequencies (kick drum, bass, etc.). You can record pretty much anything on Earth with that combination. Other mics will be added later. There are dozens, and in some cases, hundreds, of different models in any category to choose from, and everybody has their wish list, and their budget, which rarely match. I will recommend my version of that basic mic cabinet, and I'm picking mics that aren't the cheapest, or the most expensive you could get, by a long shot. They're just my suggestions, and folks here will recommend dozens of other options:

Cheap dynamics: Shure SM57. I like the discontinued AKG D770- look for them on ebay. Standard mics on snare drum, hand percussion, guitar amps, brass/sax, almost anyplace where it's the only mic you have left, or your other mics just aren't right.

Badass dynamics; Shure SM7b, Electrovoice RE20, Sennheiser MD421 or MD441. Used on the same stuff as the cheap dynamics, but also for main vocals, piano, strings, almost anything.

Large diaphragm tube mic- I like Rode NTK and Studio Projects T3. As I said, there are many others, including some costing thousands. NTK is a pretty good main vocal mic for many singers. It's a fair room or ambient mic, and it's pretty good on acoustic guitar, mandolin, banjo, whatever instruments you have. For mid-priced non-tube mics, I like Marshall MXL V67, B.L.U.E. Baby Bottle, Shure KSM 32, and Audio-Techica AT4033 and AT4040.

Multi-pattern condenser- I like AKG C414B-ULS and Shure KSM44. There are many models of the C414, and the new ones are about $1000. You can find the older B-ULS model used on ebay for a lot less, and it works fine. For cheaper CAD M179 is not bad. These mics are good on *some* vocalists (if it's the right shoe). They are excellent on more delicate stuff- solo acoustic guitar, harp, woodwinds, and rock on percussion. Where the tube mics will show you what the centerfold looks like airbrushed, with makeup, these mics will show you what she looks like when she gets out of bed in the morning. Sometimes this is good, sometimes not.

Small diaphragm condensers- I like Studio Projects C-4, Rode NT5, and Shure SM81. A matched pair is good for stereo recording, as with a choir or orchestra, as drum overheads (essential), perfect for nylon string guitar, excellent on piano. They are not generally used as vocal mics, you'll find out why. Think of them as a thing that sees big, because they are small, like the little peep hole in a motel room door. Because the diaphragm is small, it is also light, and responds well to things that go from quiet to loud to quiet again very fast, called fast transients. This is why they are often used as drum overheads.

Low frequency dynamics- I like AKG D112 and Audix D6. Essental for kick drum, but can be good on other things, even certain vocalists. Who knows, someone may actually want you to record a tuba, and the D112 rocks for that job. Also good if the bass player wants you to mic his amp.

Hopefully all that gives you something to think about. It's just the first page of that Encyclopedia, if I had written it. Try asking smaller questions, and you'll get more useful answers. But you'll have to ask a lot of questions, and get a lot of answers, to get where you are going.


My last, best advice- You are unlikely to ever make money doing this, so have fun. Yeah, I could have bought that Viper instead, but every time I walk into my studio, I get the real pleasure of knowing that I have built a play room for adults, and I derive huge satisfaction from working with people who have never gotten to record in a well prepared space, with the right gear. It's like raising children. There's no logical or financial advantage to it, but it's one of the things that makes the hard work you do to pay for it worth it. Best of luck.-Richie
 
Wow that was a long post Richard, I hope for your sake that was a copy and paste job!
 
My obligatory standard reply-for-newbies that I keep in Wordpad so this is just a paste (I don't want to re-type this all the time):

First off, immediately get a good beginner recording book (spend $20 before spending hundred$/thousand$) that shows you what you need to get started and how to hook everything up in your studio:
Home Recording for Musicians by Jeff Strong - $15
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/07...ce&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance
(Wish I'd had that when I started; would have saved me lots of money and time and grief)
You can also pick up this book in most any Borders or Barnes&Noble in the Music Books section!

Another good one is: Recording Guitar and Bass by Huw Price
http://www.amazon.com/Recording-Gui...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215734124&sr=1-1
(I got my copy at a place called Half-Price Books for $6!!)

And you can get a FREE subscription to TapeOp magazine at www.tapeop.com

Barnes&Noble or Borders are great places to start --- they have recording books and you can go get a snack or coffee and read them for FREE! Don't pass by a good recording book --- this is a VERY technical hobby and you REALLY want to start a reference library!!!

Good Newbie guides that also explains all the basics and have good tips:
http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm
http://www.computermusic.co.uk/page/computermusic?entry=free_beginner_pdfs
http://www.harmony-central.com/articles/

21 Ways To Assemble a Recording Rig: http://www.tweakheadz.com/rigs.htm

Also Good Info: http://www.theprojectstudiohandbook.com/directory.htm

Other recording books: http://musicbooksplus.com/home-recording-c-31.html

Still using a built-in soundcard?? Unfortunately, those are made with less than $1 worth of chips for beeps, boops and light gaming (not to mention cheapness for the manufacturer) and NOT quality music production.
#1 Rule of Recording: You MUST replace the built-in soundcard.
Here's a good guide and tested suggestions: http://www.tweakheadz.com/soundcards_for_the_home_studio.htm


Plenty of software around to record for FREE to start out on:

Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net (multi-track with VST support)
Wavosaur: http://www.wavosaur.com/ (a stereo audio file editor with VST support)\
Kristal: http://www.kreatives.org/kristal/
Other freebies and shareware: www.hitsquad.com/smm

Another great option is REAPER at http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ (It's $50 but runs for free until you get guilty enough to pay for it...)
I use Reaper and highly reccomend it...

Music Notation and MIDI recording: Melody Assistant ($25) and Harmony Assistant ($80) have the power of $600 notation packages - http://myriad-online.com
Demo you can try on the website.

And you can go out to any Barnes&Noble or Borders and pick up "Computer Music" magazine - they have a full FREE studio suite in every issue's DVD, including sequencers, plugins and tons of audio samples. (November 2006 they gave away a full copy of SamplitudeV8SE worth $150, November 2007-on the racks Dec in the US- they gave away SamplitudeV9SE. It pays to watch 'em for giveaways...)
 
Well, no, Waffle, it's not a cut and paste job. The point is that there are some huuuge questions that get asked time and time again. If I think I have a meaningful answer, I type it out once, and down the road, I will refer others who ask the same question to the link, so at least I only type it *once*. Thanks and props to Tim O'Brien, for publishing some links to more of the Encyclopedia I referred to above. I think his post complements mine very well.

I guess questions and posts like the above make me feel a little like a Rabbi dealing with a Goy who wants to convert to Judaism. Of course, he'll try to talk the Goy out of it. This isn't because he's really against it, but he has to know just how serious the guy is. The hard part is how to deliver a much needed reality check without busting the guy's balls, or making fun of him. His post tells me he is interested, but has no clue. OK, there's a clue, but it comes with a painful reality check.

What the hell? I've never had more fun than building my studio and recording the album I always wanted to make. Then, I just started recording other people because I love it, and it has cut my losses a great deal. I would never try to talk anybody out of building a studio, but even if you make good decisions, this is not a cheap hobby. The good news is- it's a lot cheaper than it used to be. The people who want to record stuff without money either end up quitting, they make bad recordings, they find more money, or they learn to be minimalists. Great recordings were made in the 1930's and 40's without stereo, or multitracking, or compressors, or digital FX, or anything else that we have today. What did they have? A good mic, a good room, a good preamp, good ears, and something worth recording. That hasn't changed, and I hope it never does.-Richie
 
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