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boingoman said:Too much warmth can lead to "hotness" in the vocals.
Aren't you supposed to bring the hotness along with things that are def, funky, fresh, fly and dope?
Aren't you supposed to bring the hotness along with things that are def, funky, fresh, fly and dope?
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glimmer_doll
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Bullet Days said:
hey, i'm not claiming that i have outstanding recordings or anything...i prefer a more lo-fi sound (i think Nirvana - In Utero & Weezer - Pinkerton are 2 of the best sounding albums ever) but i realize that's not for everyone.
I just think it's...well, kind of lazy to try to fix things with plug-ins rather than by tracking it properly in the first place...
you can hear my tascam cassette demos mixed on my home stereo at:
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=4135&alid=-1
enjoy....if not the songs then at least enjoy mocking me
Seeker of Rock
Proud fucking American
glimmer_doll, I dug 'Suffocate'. Cool tune, cool parts. What kind of machine are you recording on?
Bullet Daze,
I see what you mean about 'Rolling Down the Hill' Seems to be a lot of high end, but I also noted that there were a lot of high end instruments on there. Besides the bass, the guitar sounded to bring out some mids, but definitely the highs and the e-drums....whoa, that is a trebly setting on that tune. COOL intermittent flute parts. With all of those high frequencied instruments/instrument settings, that may be where the perceived lack of 'warmth' is coming from on that tune. I'm not an engineer by any means, but there doesn't seem to be much low frequency around on that one and quite a bit of high to my ears. As previously mentioned, could that be what is accentuating the 's' consonants? Just my two cents. 'The First' sounded nice and warm, same with 'Die to See Another Day' (I'm a HUGE Bond fan, btw)...same recording equipment used on those two?
Bullet Daze,
I see what you mean about 'Rolling Down the Hill' Seems to be a lot of high end, but I also noted that there were a lot of high end instruments on there. Besides the bass, the guitar sounded to bring out some mids, but definitely the highs and the e-drums....whoa, that is a trebly setting on that tune. COOL intermittent flute parts. With all of those high frequencied instruments/instrument settings, that may be where the perceived lack of 'warmth' is coming from on that tune. I'm not an engineer by any means, but there doesn't seem to be much low frequency around on that one and quite a bit of high to my ears. As previously mentioned, could that be what is accentuating the 's' consonants? Just my two cents. 'The First' sounded nice and warm, same with 'Die to See Another Day' (I'm a HUGE Bond fan, btw)...same recording equipment used on those two?
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glimmer_doll
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thanks seeker
i recorded that stuff on a tascam 688 midistudio..no outboard FX or anything...basically just plugging in an SM57 and hitting record...
i recorded that stuff on a tascam 688 midistudio..no outboard FX or anything...basically just plugging in an SM57 and hitting record...
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glimmer_doll said:
Actually I see it as more work to try to fix it later.
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kylen
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Plus it gets harder to fix stuff or fit it together as you move upstream towards the final product in some environments. Layering tracks in the home studio using close micing or DI for example...Cloneboy Studio said:
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Bullet Days said:
But you are recording with analog gear as well as digital gear. The mic is analog, the preamp is analog. Then you go digital from there. What people are telling you is that the problems you are experiencing need to be fixed in the analog stage of your work.
If it is not the right sound from the start, there's really no plugin that can get the sound back 100% to what you want. Maybe fake it sort of, but not the real thing if it isn't there start with.
So maybe you had a preconceived idea of what the answer to your question would be, i.e. "tell me what the plugin is", when in reality the answer is something you weren't looking for.
All that said, if your vocals are too "essy" then perhaps you should try a de-esser. I'm sure there must be a de-esser plugin, I just don't know one to recommend.
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glimmer_doll said:
I have a 488MKII myself, though I do use some outboards.
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Big_Mike_I
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Use Amplitube
For my vocals, I use a pop-screen, but I also record two channels of my vocals (or just copy one down to a new channel). Then I add a compressor to both, then adapt the vocals in the Amplitube plug-in. It cleans up a lot.
For my vocals, I use a pop-screen, but I also record two channels of my vocals (or just copy one down to a new channel). Then I add a compressor to both, then adapt the vocals in the Amplitube plug-in. It cleans up a lot.
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Kronk
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When people talk about warmth in audio it usually has nothin to do with vocals--that may be why the stunted answered appeared.
In fact Vocals is the one thing that most enginneers agree are better in digital. While they may still run the drumkit through tape.
Without hearing it I would say that the whole track is quite brittle sounding or you wouldnt have said is wasnt warm--and the ess just make it sound even harsher. If thats the case(barring an equipment change) search the net for a dry unaffected vocal(they are everywhere to be found--I think artistpro.com has some)--this way you can hear the voicing. Compare it to yours in Sonar side by side. Is your thinner, too many highs, lows ect?
From there, adjust your preamp and eq settings to roughly match. You may be adding eq that you shouldnt--your mic may be too bright for the voice. Do those things first--because I suspect it is the entire track. Then when you get that nice--its easy to slap a deesser on it to tame the esses
In fact Vocals is the one thing that most enginneers agree are better in digital. While they may still run the drumkit through tape.
Without hearing it I would say that the whole track is quite brittle sounding or you wouldnt have said is wasnt warm--and the ess just make it sound even harsher. If thats the case(barring an equipment change) search the net for a dry unaffected vocal(they are everywhere to be found--I think artistpro.com has some)--this way you can hear the voicing. Compare it to yours in Sonar side by side. Is your thinner, too many highs, lows ect?
From there, adjust your preamp and eq settings to roughly match. You may be adding eq that you shouldnt--your mic may be too bright for the voice. Do those things first--because I suspect it is the entire track. Then when you get that nice--its easy to slap a deesser on it to tame the esses
strmkr
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The sibilance is definately mic selection, technique and maybe the need for a de-esser in the chain.
If you are experiencing "brittle" or "harsh" sounds, it could be that your preamp gain is set too high. While high end analog and tube preamps may have desirable artifacts when pushed, many simply good and average preamps do not share the same characteristics. This doesn't mean they are unusable junk, it means that they have certain limitations. Learning and living within these limitations can often produce decent results.
I have a Yamaha board and a Mackie. I have found that if I generally keep the gain pots at about 11 o'clock on the Yamaha and 10 o'clock on the Mackie for most sources, I don't get any undesirable artifacts. True, I don't get the super-lush saturation of a high end preamp (insert Homer Simpson drool face), but I avoid the crappy sounding saturation these preamps produce when pushed too hard.
If you set your gain properly, have decent convertors and use the highest bit depth available, I bet your recordings will sound "warmer" to you.
Good luck!
If you are experiencing "brittle" or "harsh" sounds, it could be that your preamp gain is set too high. While high end analog and tube preamps may have desirable artifacts when pushed, many simply good and average preamps do not share the same characteristics. This doesn't mean they are unusable junk, it means that they have certain limitations. Learning and living within these limitations can often produce decent results.
I have a Yamaha board and a Mackie. I have found that if I generally keep the gain pots at about 11 o'clock on the Yamaha and 10 o'clock on the Mackie for most sources, I don't get any undesirable artifacts. True, I don't get the super-lush saturation of a high end preamp (insert Homer Simpson drool face), but I avoid the crappy sounding saturation these preamps produce when pushed too hard.
If you set your gain properly, have decent convertors and use the highest bit depth available, I bet your recordings will sound "warmer" to you.
Good luck!
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RD423
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What he might be talking about whenever he said he needs to warm up the vocals is to get u a good pre amp like a focusrite or something of that nature because it will help with the warmth of the vocal because I had that problem before.
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Kronk
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strmkr said:
hehe. Thats a good one
