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Hi Folks,
I took a lead from the dog (bad pun I know - leash may be more northern too) & bumped around a few variations.
Change one was to employ the mysterious Mowtown effect to the vocals (thanks Rami).
Change two was to push the guitars up a mlittle.
Change three a put a light effect across the entire mix.
Have a listen and then yell at me if I need it.
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=4421331&q=hi
 
Definitely has a nice, vintage vibe to it. Got a nice, crisp vocal out of this.

I got no real nits man....seems the panning is good, with plenty of space for all the instruments. So far, I'm liking this. Cool vibe on it. :cool:
 
Thanks K9sapien,
I took the lead from your excellent mixfix.
Your new avaatar allows my eyes to settle on the words a little better. The other was certainly pneumatic.
 
Listening and commenting.

Sounds really nice and cool. Really like the wah effect around 2:15 and so on. :)

The vox sound really nice on this.

The drums are a real nice addition to this piece. Normally you keep them down but this one sounds cool. :)

The bass sounds cool. Maybe sounds a little like has some verb on it. But it's alright.

Around 2:34-2:35 the lead kind of jumped out. Maybe compress or just lower in that place. :)

Rhythm sounds a little loud and steps over the vox. Maybe instead of lowering it just EQ down a tiny band around 3kHz by a couple of dbs.

Haven't heard what you posted last week, was out of town and spent time around the hotel bar especially 'coz of the happy hour. :)
 
BB,
Thanks mate. The sudden reprise of the solo is a deliberate shock - I'll play around with toning it down . RAMI's drums are perfecto aren't they!
There are a few things left to try on this one. The vocal is only a draft MP3 my collaborator sent a couple of days ago & I'm still working on evening it out somewhat.
 
Two thins. The verb sounds a bit too wet and it makes the synth sound pretty muddy and everythin else hollow, loose or sumptin. It sounds like your in a huge room or concert setting, so where's the crowd?

The other thin is the vocalist has no passion. He is singing a portrait has no passion or pain but neither does he, I don't believe him. He needs to put some flair into into it, get angry, growl and bark or sumptin. I need some melodrama here and little more cowbell!
 
I hear a high end ring thru alot of it...hmm sounds like it's on the vocal track???

Good mix....but a bit distant sounding....the lead part w/ the wah is cool, but I think you might benefit from not doing that panning to the extreme...it get distracting... I would say instead of having the panning go hard L to hard R....make it so it only goes about 1/2 way...taht way you get the effect of movement, without it being so distracting.... FWIW... :)
 
I agree with Perd about the panning. I'd darken the vocal a little also. Great rhythm guitar and drums.

Tim
 
The panning is ok when you listen on speakers. If you listen on headphones it is a bit more noticeable. You can try bringing in the panning to see if it is better received. The vocals are right on the edge of understanding the words here.

My personal preference would be to drop some of the really high eq to take out some "esses" and "ch's" and up the mids somewhere so it makes up for the drop in highs. That's just my guess on settings - hope that description is ok.

Just compared the original version (without vocals) and this mix is much smoother. The instruments are well laid out and nicely audible throughout.

So what will Terry do next - resend the vocals on a wav file for mixing?

:) :D :) :D
 
ido1957,
I noticed the highs effecting the cymbals at the beginning - just an experiment with a wash of effect that I'll rework.
The ssing etc is on the original vocal line but I'll give it a burl.
Terry will record to tape & send the vocals to me to upload sometime in the next few weeks. I anticpate a better result from tape. Thanks for the detail as per usual mate.
Timothy Lawler,
Thanks for the comments. The vocals ought to be better when I move from this draft version to the uploaded tape version. I'm still playing with the panning - I followed your suggestion & made the movements more gradual & now will play with making it less extreme.
Perdicament,
FWIW - heaps. The highs are a result of a wash effect over the whole mix. I'll dilute that. The distance was an attempt to get a psych vibe. I'm working on the panning. Thanks.
NYMorningstar,
No synths mate - that's a guitar effect I constructed. It's on the original take of the guitars - & is called "cello focus" it is thick & bassy. The vocal is a 1st take draft - I'm trying to prepare a bed for the impassioned & embittered version that's due to come along soon. Thanks for the detail & time taken.
 
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=4421331&q=hi
I've diluted the wash, reduced so of the highs, reduced the sweep of the panning & done some close listening.
The vocal (draft) has a lot of head phone bleed in it. I used a double band cut filter on it but there's still some there. When I did the Motown exciter process on it the EQ'ing brought back some of the higher band sounds. As a result I've altered the Motown EQ a bit so the vocals aren't quite cutting through as in the last mix.
Any improvement?
 
I like this mix better than the previous:
- it's like you've used a de-esser on this, and the ch's sh's and esses are much less audible. Still there but sound natural now.
- the panning on the guitar seems a bit tighter and although it moves it's not as great a spread as before.
- the vocals are sitting in a very good spot. They sound like a lead instrument but you still need listen to them to discern every word (else its a "sound" - cool). Sort of floating on top of the music ever so slightly.
- The underlying instruments are still well placed and should be ok as currently set.
- the effected ending on the vocals is perfect!

:) :D :) :D
 
Fuck!! I can't get to the song from here. I'll try tonight from home.

:mad:
 
The new version sounds nice. Did I already mention somewhat Pink Floydish in places?

The vox are hard to understand. Agree with Ido. Anyhoo, maybe just EQ up in 3kHz area. If still not too audible then raise the volume. :)

The snare could come up just a tad to make it more snappy. :)

The bass and the guitar are sitting very well in the mix for my personal taste. I tend to love the drums when done right, so I'd want to see the volume on the drums raised by a couple of dbs. But that's a personal preference.

Nice touch on the outro (I hear the proper term is extro) with verb on the vox. :)
 
I'd like to hear a little more vocals in the mix.

I really love the guitar during the verses. Very excellent. Perhaps an additional guitar sound at the chorus would help kick it up a notch there. Tam would be freindly with the chorus, too.

Cool panning in the guitar solo.

Mix seems to lack a little sparkle all around, although that is likely the headphones I'm listening to. What's your vocal chain on this one?

I'd have to say this is one of my favourites I've heard from you so far.

-Casey
 
ido1957,
Thanks mate. I've been paying attention. I look forward to the real deal vocals so that I can setle this one. By the way - nice new take on Let Me Love You. I played your pre release gem of a mini album each of the last 3 nights.
bigbubba,
Ta yet again for the detail. I know the vox are on the cusp of intelligibility. I'm walking the fine line trying to find the sweey spot (mixed metaphores & drinks anyone?). Rami'll like your request for dBs on the drums I'm sure.
Supercreep,
I'm flabergasted by your generousity. I lost some sparkle when I washed some effect off the general mix as it was too toppy. I'll need to fiddle with that. I've been wondering about the chorus - Gerry recco'd tambourine some time ago but I've resisted adding instrumentation to the original 1990 piece. Having had Rami bring it into the new millenium I no longer have any excuses. I'll play with 2nd guitar &tamb for the chorus during the hols. (I'm on V..A..C..A..T.I.O.N.) as of tomorrow arvo - 3.30pm 29th September. Hmm, I played your excellent little disc last night after finally getting it back from being borrowed.
 
Cool mix Ray. Seems like you did something to the drums, like a very short delay on the whole kit. Thickens it up a bit. It's a good mix. Everything's there. I found the bass too loud previously, but I find it just right now.
 
Sounds great man. Wasn't able to picture what the vocals would be in my head on the last version i heard but this really fits well. I like the lyrics/vibe to this song alot. I can only listen on headphones as people are sleeping here but i know these headphones pretty well and it sounds good to me. Guitars sound very good to me, a place i always struggle. Everything seems to sit well. It was very cool hearing how this came together throughout the few different versions you had posted. Great song.

Take care

gary
 
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