w/ $200 what to upgrade, presonus tubepre, v67g, emu 1212m

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I've got about 200 dollars to spend, and want to get advice for what I should upgrade one compenent of my equipment for better recording quality (solo vocal). Whatever I upgrade I will sell used, so will add into the 200 price limit.

For example, if the recommendation is to upgrade the marshall v67g, I can sell it used on ebay for 60-80, so total is 260.
 
ssman said:
I've got about 200 dollars to spend, and want to get advice for what I should upgrade one compenent of my equipment for better recording quality (solo vocal). Whatever I upgrade I will sell used, so will add into the 200 price limit.

For example, if the recommendation is to upgrade the marshall v67g, I can sell it used on ebay for 60-80, so total is 260.

What is your emu not giving you? Computer soundcards are either working for you, or not working for you. If it ain't broke, then don't fix it.
Spend $$$ where it will improve your sound the most so concentrate on the weakest link in your signal chain. If you are recording vocals the mic/pre combo is the most critical, I gather from my research. I have yet to experiment with very expensive equipment so thats what I'm operating on here, btw.
The mic is a very subjective thing in the 100-300 dollar range it seems. Love it or hate it with most people. Every time I try and get popular opinion on a mic I get such varied responses from "I love it" to "I'd rather use dirty pantyhose for a windscreen than record with THAT mic!" So if you are not feeling the love from your mic then try a different one, but keep the old one in case the mic you upgrade doesn't work out for you and you unload it on someone else. I kept my MXL 990 when I got my V67g and I'm glad I did, even though I originally thought the new one would replace the old.
Your preamp decision depends on what you are going for.... more color, or more pristine? I think the presonus is neither...... so it won't take much to upgrade to something better. I've heard good vocals that I know were done with the dmp3, and thats under 200. Personally, I think I'll be getting an electro-harmonix tube pre (under 200) when money allows because I'm after a funky, colored vocal.
 
If I had $200 and was in your situation I think the best improvement for your sound would be to spend $60 of it and get some recording books. After your finished reading them and practising the techniques, maybe I would look at acoustic treatment.
 
spend $60 of it and get some recording books

even if I'm just recording my vocal practice sessions? I'm just sitting in my room, got my equipment connected, and singing into the mic.
 
ssman said:
even if I'm just recording my vocal practice sessions? I'm just sitting in my room, got my equipment connected, and singing into the mic.
If that's what you are doing then why upgrade at all?
 
i want to know exactly what I sound like. On the listening end I've got a hi-fi setup, but the recordings I can't really say aren't colored or are giving me a sound that seems good to me.
 
ssman said:
i want to know exactly what I sound like. On the listening end I've got a hi-fi setup, but the recordings I can't really say aren't colored or are giving me a sound that seems good to me.

You need nearfield monitors. Dunno what $200 will get you, but you need monitors.
 
Good, great perhaps. You need nearfield monitors. Period.
 
sorry, i'm not so advanced, i'm a newb. What benefit will I near-fields have, or where can I find this info. thank you
 
ssman said:
f-kn great another thing to buy

Plus you need speaker cables and a table to put them on. This recording thing goes on and on. Seriously.
 
I just did a comparison on that link for why headphones are bad for mixing.

I don't think I'm mixing? I just want an accurate sound of what I sound like. I tried to do the test of listening to something with headphones and then speakers, and it's suppose to show that the highs are much more prominent on headphones.

Please go to head-fi forum, they're freaks and as knowledgeable about headphones as people are here about recording. It matters what headphone you have. Some are more bright than others.... sony sa5000, grado's, beyer dt880. The senn 650 is know to be dark.

When I did the test versus my $100 computer speakers (full disclosure: altec lansing, I know they're crap) the senn 650 was not bright - it did not present highs at a higher volume.

Moreover, the voice was reproduced much more accurately, the overall sound, clarity, the transients, the attack, the detail, the texture, timbre etc. was all way better with the headphones than speakers.

Imaging does not matter for my purposes, it's only mono.

And I'm doing this for practice sessions, so it doesn't matter that my car stereo, home theater, boombox, is going to color the sound, each in its own way, and therefore I shouldn't master the sound so it's already colored.

From the website headphone.com (headroom corporation, probably one of the most knowledgable headphone dealers, and maker of a stereophile class a headphone amplifier) says of the 650s:
The measurements of these headphones are as close to perfect as we’ve seen, and the sound is as close to perfectly neutral as we’ve heard.

They measure based on the sound measured inside the ear canal, not the frequencies emitted at the driver.
 
what what i have learned the v67g is a very colored mic. while this does give a very pleasing effect on some voices, if your looking for something realistic, you might want to look into a more flat response mic, or even one of those cheaper chinese ribbon mics. ive heard good things about them. i wouldent go for monitors just because for you, right now, you would be better off getting something to clean up your signal chain rather than something to reproduce an already colored mic and pre.
 
What kind of music are you recording? The choice of mic could be important for getting the sound you want. I'd start there.

As far as the TubePRE, divide the gain between the "gain" and "drive" controls. Don't go all gain and a little drive. When I owned my TubePRE's I used the drive first, up to about 12-1 o'clock, then added the rest with the gain knob. I felt it was a much better tone that way, and quieter.
 
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