VS2480 or AW4416

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Don't own either but the AW4416 has better AD/DA converters
decent pre's and more recording time than the VS.
 
Ive gotten a chance to play around on both on the AW4416 wins hands down....
 
I got the Aw4416 after owning a VS1680 for a few years. The Yamaha is lightyears ahead of the Roland (Haven't played with the 2480 tho).. Do yerself a favour and buy the 4416 :D
 
1 more important thing about the Vs series of recorders;
the white "Play/Record" function buttons tend to break off after
extended use.
 
Yo Yo Yo: Guys/Gals:

I just ordered the Yam 2816 and I'm glad to hear that you approve of the Yam's first unit -- more expensive--however, the 2816 does the same job and I'm happy to hear its converters are pretty good.

I don't have the unit yet but will post when I get it and give it try.

Thanks,

Green Hornet:D :) :) :)
 
Interesting sidelight:]

Just got a call from my dealer regarding my Yam 2816. It will be shipped in two weeks rather than two months. Nice, huh?

But, she also said in her phone message that I could buy the other unit, the 4416 for about 500 pezzutos more. Seems to me that they are stuck with some 4416's. Also, the 2816 is supposed to be "easier" to run.

Sonusman doesn't seem to be too thrilled tihe the 2816 but he told me it will do a nice job for my purposes. [I hope}

Just thought you might like to know.

Interesting how the prices are dropping for DAW boxes but the old Yamaha MD8 price has held up pretty well. Why? Because it is not too difficult to plug in and do some stuff.


Green Hornet





:rolleyes: :D :p
 
How is it that Yamahas 20 bit d/a converters beat the roland 24 bit ones. If the yamaha has the same mixer properties as the 02r the d/a converters are 20 bit. Hell You could have the korg for half the price or sync two for only 3000.00 for 32 tracks.

Oh and by the way the roland has automated faders too thats what set the 4416 apart from the others isnt it.:confused:
 
The automation isn't the only thing that sets the aw4416 apart from the roland. I've heard the 2 side by side with the same sound source.....The aw does sound better. Also the fact that the CDR is built in to the unit is a bonus. Personally I couldn't justify paying the asking price for the Roland just for 8 extra tracks of COMPRESSED audio. You can't use all 24 without having it compressed. The Yamaha wins hands down

For the price the AW is the best sounding most versatile piece of gear on the market. The pre's are good, automation rules, and even though it takes a little while to come to grips with it..IT IS WORTH THE EFFORT......
 
Yo Daring Darrin:

I do believe both Yamaha boxes, 4416 and the 2816 have 24 bit recording, as stated in the ads. What I'm not sure of, does that mean they have 24 bit converters? Seems like it should be so.

Green Hornet:D :mad: :p
 
I was told that all of the specs that the O2R has the 4416 has as well Ive shopped the O2R Waiting for this Alesis HD24 and the new Makie. I have seen the Roland at 3299.00 Here in Kansas. At the same price the Roland wins, Hell Ive got a preamp allready.
 
By the way Am I alone in having 2 racks of mastering equipment to go between the hard disc recorder and the burner? Why would I want a burner on board?
 
darrin_h2000 said:
How is it that Yamahas 20 bit d/a converters beat the roland 24 bit ones. If the yamaha has the same mixer properties as the 02r the d/a converters are 20 bit. Hell You could have the korg for half the price or sync two for only 3000.00 for 32 tracks.

Oh and by the way the roland has automated faders too thats what set the 4416 apart from the others isnt it.:confused:



I don't want to get into a "my gear is better" flamefest, but I think you're misinformed - AAMOF, I know you're misinformed. The AW4416's internal mixer architecture is based on the 02R, but there has been some improvements over that older Yamaha board. For starters, the converters are 24 bit, and not 20.

Both units are nice, and both are capable of professional quality recordings, if the operator does his / her part.

Differences? Well, off the top of my head, the VS does 96 KHz recording, but with a reduced track count - and ALWAYS with data compression. The AW NEVER uses data compression. The most you can get out of a VS without using data compression is 16 tracks at 44.1 KHz or 48 KHz - the same as the AW4416, which costs considerably less.

Last I heard, the VS costs about $3,500. Add in another $600 for the meter bridge (included with the AW) and $400 or so for the the CD-RW (useful for more than just "masters" on either machine - can you say "data backup"?) and you're looking at about $4,500 for a Roland - plus whatever R-Bus digital interfaces you may need. The AW4416 is going for as little as $2,300 now, including the CD-RW and built in FL display / meterbridge.

I've been using two AW4416's digitally cascaded (according to Yamaha, I was the first to do so) for almost a year now. I got my first AW over a year ago, and it was one of the very first in the USA. I was a beta tester for the AW 2.0 software, as well as the Waves Y56K card, which gives you some great mastering tools onboard the Yamaha.

The Roland has that lovely screed display, which the AW doesn't have. It probably has slightly better editing (but I have mine connected to a computer DAW for that, which kills both of them), but IMO, the SOUND of the AW beats the VS - hands down.

Again, both are nice, and it's amazing what can be done with either one.... I just wanted to set the record straight regarding the converters.






Phil O'Keefe
Sound Sanctuary Recording
Riverside CA
http://www.ssrstudio.com
pokeefe777@ssrstudio.com
 
Yo guys:gals:

The 2816 DAW is WONDERFUL. Yeah, the manual is a vacuum; {I hate to say anything sucks}


I stumbled through the windows and buttons and slides and blinks and etc. and recorded some background music for a client who wants to add the vocals.....the playback was OUTSTANDING.

Now, this was at 16 bit and fed from a tape deck into the 2816. There is so much "headroom" with the 2816 that it boggles the mind. You can really push it if you want to.

I'm sure most DAW2816 owners will agree with me. And, the 2816 is NOT A HIND QUARTER OF THE 4416. Both are pretty darn good boxes.

Green Hornet finally converted to stumbling through the 2816.
 
...what about the lack of Mic inputs on the yammies versus the 2480? Has anyone's views on these machines changed? It just seems to me that with full waveform editing on VGA and with the mouse, the 2480 is just a hands down portable god when it comes to DAW's.. having 8 mic pres adds that portability IMHO.. any other ideas/ responses? I was originally going to go with a Digi 001 or 002 until I saw that the 2480 has mic pres.. I don't want to invest money in 6 more pres just so I can run them into the yamaha... Carring more gear kind of negates teh purpose for a all-in-one.. my only worry on the 2480 is the quality of the mic pres.. is it mackie- quality? or behringer? or what? also, some people complain about Hard disk errors and OS glitches.. is this true for the roland moreso than the yamaha's? I want the 2480 because I've been using a VS-880 VXpanded for 6 months now and I'm kind of tired of lugging around a mixer too (Behringer 802A) just for the phantom and XLR inputs.. Also I need more than 4 inputs.. so the 2480 looks like a good goal for me.. any suggestions?

-Brent
 
ZPphreak said:
...what about the lack of Mic inputs on the yammies versus the 2480? Has anyone's views on these machines changed? It just seems to me that with full waveform editing on VGA and with the mouse, the 2480 is just a hands down portable god when it comes to DAW's.. having 8 mic pres adds that portability IMHO.. any other ideas/ responses? I was originally going to go with a Digi 001 or 002 until I saw that the 2480 has mic pres.. I don't want to invest money in 6 more pres just so I can run them into the yamaha... Carring more gear kind of negates teh purpose for a all-in-one.. my only worry on the 2480 is the quality of the mic pres.. is it mackie- quality? or behringer? or what? also, some people complain about Hard disk errors and OS glitches.. is this true for the roland moreso than the yamaha's? I want the 2480 because I've been using a VS-880 VXpanded for 6 months now and I'm kind of tired of lugging around a mixer too (Behringer 802A) just for the phantom and XLR inputs.. Also I need more than 4 inputs.. so the 2480 looks like a good goal for me.. any suggestions?

-Brent

The Yammy has 8 pres. Soundwise it is better than the Roland. I know this because I've tested them both. The pres actually are sub-par on both units.
 
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