Vocal tips...

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cellardweller said:
Silly apl, I'm the cellardweller... my wife doesn't let me record/setup in the bedroom! :D

What can I say, I'm impatient. The truth of your statement is apparent in my every vocal attempt...
I've heard the heavy cover/movers blanket idea (for a "vocal booth) kicked around and shot down several times, is there any purpose in attempting it?
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I didn't think your original post was asking about room reflections, mud and the like. I thought it was about double tracking a vocal part and not being "ON". This has nothing to do with room treatment as I'm sure you know. Could we clarify as to what your question is about?
 
HangDawg said:
I didn't think your original post was asking about room reflections, mud and the like. I thought it was about double tracking a vocal part and not being "ON". This has nothing to do with room treatment as I'm sure you know. Could we clarify as to what your question is about?
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See jeap's post, #16.
 
HangDawg said:
I didn't think your original post was asking about room reflections, mud and the like. I thought it was about double tracking a vocal part and not being "ON". This has nothing to do with room treatment as I'm sure you know. Could we clarify as to what your question is about?
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Yes, you are correct, this is just thread drift.

It was probably a stoopid question, that if I'd pondered at all, would have realized that practice is the only solution.

I just didn't know if there was any method of practice or execution that would improve ones' vocal consistency (for double-tracking a vocal)
 
jeap said:
a little different take on the whole thing...

if you read chris harris' suggested EQ reading material there are some tips for us there

if you sing in a regular room the mic picks up slapback echoes and they aint pretty - carpet, uphosltery, drapes, etc absorb mostly higher frequencies while parallel walls create standing waves and resonant frequencies in the muddy ranges

you dont hear individual echoes you just hear the added mud

doesnt sound too bad with one voice right? add another voice and you are doubling your problems

since you are using a standalone recorder its harder to do EQ but i think you are editing individual tracks on you computer. i have soundforge 5 which has a cool paragraphic EQ. you can experiment with cutting lots of low frequencies out of your vocal tracks. you should be doing that anyway but if you have a woofy voice to begin with like i do - my range is much lower than most singers - cutting the right amount of lows makes me sound more like a real singer

the tracks should sound better combined without making any other changes
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Did you even read his question? :rolleyes:
 
cellardweller said:
Yes, you are correct, this is just thread drift.

It was probably a stoopid question, that if I'd pondered at all, would have realized that practice is the only solution.

I just didn't know if there was any method of practice or execution that would improve ones' vocal consistency (for double-tracking a vocal)
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Is there a sample of this tune somewhere? Maybe you are being too critical.
 
No. There is a sample at "some other site", but it fades out quickly after the vocals start.

I have a three day weekend. I'm gonna spend some time practicing this, devotedly.

Do you RP?
 
cellardweller said:
No. There is a sample at "some other site", but it fades out quickly after the vocals start.

I have a three day weekend. I'm gonna spend some time practicing this, devotedly.

Do you RP?
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Oh, the infamous "OTHER SITE"
 
the other site is cool but not as much fun as this freewheelin site.

yes i know he was talking more about one thing and then i switched but like somebody else said the differences in the takes are supposed to be there and maybe they will be more bearable... oh whatever

if you want an exact double you could copy the track to a blank one and move it forward by 100 ms or so for a delay. that would be a real double!

freaky!
 
Freewheeling is a perfect description for this site.

Woaoahahaaaaaaaaaaaooooohhhhhhhhh hang on folks!
 
Instead of double tracking the vocals and worrying about the inconsistencies, track them 4 times and then track a harmony track for them 4 times, do your mix and embrace your inconsistencies :) ;) :eek:
 
Even if the inconsistencies still cause it to sound like shite, after 8 times of singing it through maybe there would be a noticable improvement from the practice :D

A quick question before I try to dig up the answer by searching (though I actually have a lot of work to get done today :eek: )

What about double micing the vocal? How do I space the mics? How big of an issue is phase on vocals? Would phase be an issue at all, or could/should I just pan them hard left/right?

I've never considered this before, nor read about it...
I'm off for a brief search, then back to work! :eek:
 
hookiefree said:
I get great results by making 2 duplicates of the vocal track, pitch shift one about -3 cents, pan about 30-60 to the left or right. pitch shift the next one about +3 cents, pan about 30-60 the opposite way. Keep both dups way lower than the main vox and nudge one forward and one back a taste to prevent phasing.
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Good thread. There was another I found today, but can't find again... :o

So how about thei "30-60"?
 
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