Vocal harmony

[manning1]

warble, hang dawg, and carter, this is a newbies forum.
i have a question for all three of you . do you have any vested interests in what recording products a newbie buys ? do you work for a manufacturer ? or retailer of recording products ?
i am trying to open newbies eyes to low cost alternatives.
that i and others use daily and which do a good job.
in the case of splatter - he was interested in vocal harmonies.
i mentioned the product because right now pg have a song contest going on featuring vocal harmonisation using TC helicon that i thought he might be interested in, and which might be of use to him.
in summary i defend my right to free speech, and whats in my heart.
which is to try and stop newbies making some of the mistakes i made
when i started out. as a poster on the arch_jedi thread noted....
there have been thousands of threads about certain products here. far more than the ones i mention.
i am left wondering therefore if there are vested interests at work here to stop me advising newbies on low cost alternatives.

 

[HangDawg]

warble, hang dawg, and carter, this is a newbies forum.
i have a question for all three of you . do you have any vested interests in what recording products a newbie buys ? do you work for a manufacturer ? or retailer of recording products ?
i am trying to open newbies eyes to low cost alternatives.
that i and others use daily and which do a good job.
in the case of splatter - he was interested in vocal harmonies.
i mentioned the product because right now pg have a song contest going on featuring vocal harmonisation using TC helicon that i thought he might be interested in, and which might be of use to him.
in summary i defend my right to free speech, and whats in my heart.
which is to try and stop newbies making some of the mistakes i made
when i started out. as a poster on the arch_jedi thread noted....
there have been thousands of threads about certain products here. far more than the ones i mention.
i am left wondering therefore if there are vested interests at work here to stop me advising newbies on low cost alternatives.

I think it's the way you suggest it. You don't ever just say "You could try N-tracks, powertracks or audacity" and be done with it. Your posts have a clear sales pitch tone about them whether you think so or not. And it's amazing how you will find a way to pitch it regardless of the thread topic. Kind of like you did in this one.

 

[warble]

Well, I came back and erased what I originally posted here to you Manning.....
No sense wasting any more of my time...it's all falling on deaf ears anyway. Enjoy your free speech. I don't wish to hi-jack this thread anyway.


Mark, hope you're getting some useful advise on your subject. I didn't sense you were looking for hardware/software to create harmonies, but rather advice on how it works. Good luck to you.

 

[mshilarious]

i am left wondering therefore if there are vested interests at work here to stop me advising newbies on low cost alternatives.

Usually when I sing it's free

And it's a good thing too, since nobody would pay to hear it

 

[Carter]

warble, hang dawg, and carter, this is a newbies forum.
i have a question for all three of you . do you have any vested interests in what recording products a newbie buys ? do you work for a manufacturer ? or retailer of recording products ?
i am trying to open newbies eyes to low cost alternatives.
that i and others use daily and which do a good job.
in the case of splatter - he was interested in vocal harmonies.
i mentioned the product because right now pg have a song contest going on featuring vocal harmonisation using TC helicon that i thought he might be interested in, and which might be of use to him.
in summary i defend my right to free speech, and whats in my heart.
which is to try and stop newbies making some of the mistakes i made
when i started out. as a poster on the arch_jedi thread noted....
there have been thousands of threads about certain products here. far more than the ones i mention.
i am left wondering therefore if there are vested interests at work here to stop me advising newbies on low cost alternatives.

Here we go again! there are alot of low cost alternatives so why not mention some of the others, and to answer your question Im a Mechanical Design Engineer for a living and music is my hobby, So I have no interest in what people buy, that should be their own educated decision.

Ive heard alot of crap in this forum by people who dont know what the hell they are talking about and I laugh but to each his own. Yes help the newbs throw options out there, but not the same one every single time!

I Have Spoken

I love this quote!

Someone once wrote that an insult is like an arrow that falls harmlessly at your feet. The problem is that most of us insist on picking it up and stabbing ourselves in the chest with it.

Tempting as it is, don't pick up the arrow.

 

[mikeh]

I try not to get involved in spam debates, but in a way, I can't help but think that informing a newbie about a $49 sequence program that can provide harmonies is perhaps a reasonable suggestion (and is not creating a terribly harmful situation).

While I agree the original post asked about singing harmonies, it has become fairly common for people to use harmonizers to achieve harmonies. I know a newbie who uses Powertracks and does get good results. I own and have used Band In A Box (another PG product) with very good results for singer songwriter demos.

I don't follow mannings posts, so I don't know how much he does or doesn't spam - but the recommendation of a $49 harmonizer program to someone looking to get harmonies does not seem that much different then recommending a Lexicon or TC reverb to someone looking to get good reverb.

 

[tedluk]

warble, hang dawg, and carter, this is a newbies forum.
i have a question for all three of you . do you have any vested interests in what recording products a newbie buys ? do you work for a manufacturer ? or retailer of recording products ?
i am trying to open newbies eyes to low cost alternatives.
that i and others use daily and which do a good job.
in the case of splatter - he was interested in vocal harmonies.
i mentioned the product because right now pg have a song contest going on featuring vocal harmonisation using TC helicon that i thought he might be interested in, and which might be of use to him.
in summary i defend my right to free speech, and whats in my heart.
which is to try and stop newbies making some of the mistakes i made
when i started out. as a poster on the arch_jedi thread noted....
there have been thousands of threads about certain products here. far more than the ones i mention.
i am left wondering therefore if there are vested interests at work here to stop me advising newbies on low cost alternatives.

Ugh! I can't take it anymore!!!!! I apologize Splatter for going off topic here.

It doesn't have ANYTHING to do with free speech! Obviously, you don't have a clue what that means which doesn't surprise me in the least.

First of all, the "right to free speech" has to do with the GOVERNMENT limiting your right to speak freely. This is a private forum and, if the moderators wished to, your posts could be deleted and you could be banned and none of your "rights" would be violated.

I tried to point out a week ago that your constant pushing of Powertracks was getting old and I tried to do it gently. Waste of time apparently.

The only one who appears to be pushing products is YOU. Warble, hangdawg and carter didn't suggest that Splatter buy anything.

Powertracks may be a fine program. I've read ok reviews of it and it IS a bargain. It's your incessant effort to inject it into just about every thread that's tiresome. Did it ever occur to you that your approach is ruining your credibility? Rather than honestly trying to make suggestions that answer someone's questions you seem to be always looking for an excuse to promote powertracks.

I think you'll find that, most of the time, when people suggest a particular product, it's in direct answer to someone's question. i.e.- "Which monitor is better?" "Should I buy a Triton or Motif?", etc. People are sharing their personal experiences with given pieces of gear. Nothing wrong with that. Had this thread been titled " I'm looking for inexpensive audio and MIDI recording software, any suggestions?" I don't think anyone would question what you posted. But, alas, that was NOT what this thread was about. I mean, c'mon, you and I went round and round last week when you suggested Powertracks in a thread where the person was asking about latency! And, on top of that, you gave him incorrect and confusing advice!

Maybe you sincerely want to help people. I'd like to believe that is the case and I'm pretty sure it is. Ask yourself if it's really helpful to try to push everyone in one direction regardless of their situation, needs or desires. I, and apparently others, don't think so. If Powertracks was the answer for everyone, then SONAR, Cubase, Logic, N-tracks, Audacity, Audition, ProTools, etc, etc wouldn't all be on the market.

Obviously, neither I nor the other people who are complaining have any power to stop you from saying anything you wish. I doubt that Dragon really cares that you're plugging Powertracks since you do attempt to offer advice and sometimes it is helpful. I think all we're saying is to tone it down a little (ok, a LOT!) and try to keep your posts on topic. You'll still have plenty of people to suggest Powertracks to!

All that said, again, Splatter, I apologize for hijacking your thread for a little bit.

If anyone is still with me...It's been said that ALL songs can be reduced to a II-V-I progression. What's amazing is that we've been working within that framework for about 500 years now. It's incredible that we can still find new ways to arrange those 12 tones! Especially when only certain combinations sound "pleasing" (that term is open to interpretation).

Ted

 

[manning1]

if you guys check back through my posts you will see on numerous (hundreds) of occassions ive recommended in the affordable category..
ntrack, magix music studio (which i also own, but dont like the midi as much as pg), audacity(no midi), hotstepper(sample sequencer).
and many other products. as well as multitrackstudio.com
which ive told many people how great they are not only here but on other forums. i recommend a particular product depending on the situation.
none of the above does harmonisation. so i didnt mention them.
anyway listen guys - lifes too damn short. i far prefer kindness than umbrage.
so ive started just telling newbies to use the search function.
i dont see i can be fairer than THAT. IS THAT FAIR ??
i should say this is the only forum where ive so violently attacked.
but to keep the peace , ive already suggested to posters to use the search function.
and sorry to splatter the way this thread went. i didnt realise you had no interest in pc assisted vocal harmonisation.
lets all just get along in this imperfect world.

 

[tedluk]

i should say this is the only forum where ive so violently attacked.

Violently? Gimme a break. I think we've been very circumspect in our criticism. Unlesss someone's swatted your ass with a 2x4 and you didn't tell us!

Ted

 

[warble]

Violently? Compared to what I've seen around here, I think things have been relatively calm! I don't feel anyone is making anything up that they're using in their responses to what's going on. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on what spam is and move on from here.

 

[Carter]

Violently? Gimme a break. I think we've been very circumspect in our criticism. Unlesss someone's swatted your ass with a 2x4 and you didn't tell us!

Ted

ANNNDD CUT! THAT'S A WRAP PEOPLES.