Vocal compression: in recording or mix?

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neundo 2 will allow you to track using plugins in real time.. a rcomp, la2a, reverb, what ever.
sometimes i track while using a Uad-1 La2a... sounds perfect.. it adds more presence to vox with out using eq and for some artist compression is a must.
then i mix using another la2a or a 1176 if need be
 
<<neundo 2 will allow you to track using plugins in real time>>

i'm pretty sure that 1.6 will too.....but it doesn't print the plugin to the track. are you saying that 2.0 will print the plugin to the track (IOW: you can use the software compressor as you would a hardware compressor, on the way in)?

or will it just put the plugin on what's being recorded for monitoring's sake? (this is what 1.6 will do, IIRC)


wade
 
mrface2112 said:
<<neundo 2 will allow you to track using plugins in real time>>

i'm pretty sure that 1.6 will too.....but it doesn't print the plugin to the track. are you saying that 2.0 will print the plugin to the track (IOW: you can use the software compressor as you would a hardware compressor, on the way in)?

or will it just put the plugin on what's being recorded for monitoring's sake? (this is what 1.6 will do, IIRC)


wade

nuendo 2 WILL PRINT THE PLUGIN WHILE TRACKING. i've done it plenty of times.. from reverb, to phone Eq's, flangers etc...
you can monitor the plugin to get the settings set and yes it will print the compression,eq,reverb or what ever plugin
 
It really depends on the singer, and style.

But I find it useful to compress before the signal is recorded for vocals. In my experience, if I don't use compression with a vocalist; then by the time I get to a level where it doesn't clip, it's just too quiet!

In my situation, you want to get as much signal recorded as possible because my machine (Yamaha MD8) records at 16 bit with an analogue mixer.

I amplify all my mics with any one of my tube preamps. I tend to run them pretty warm so I already have that nice natural tube compression before the signal even hits the compressor. I try to set the compressor so it is only active if the track is all over the place with dynamics.

As far as EQ goes, I never do anything to any track before it is recorded. Usually good microphone technique is all you need. I don't DI anything but the bass guitar and keyboards/sampler. And usually only the base needs compression added before I record it.

If any track needs more compression when I'm listening to it with the other instruments, I take care of it later. Any gating, EQing, or FXing that's needed with an individual track after it is recorded, I do at mixdown. I try to do much of it with the busses and the two insertion paths I have. But if need be I'll make a back-up and then retrack that which needs something added/tweaked. Sadly, my machine has no undo.
 
c9-2001 said:
nuendo 2 WILL PRINT THE PLUGIN WHILE TRACKING. i've done it plenty of times.. from reverb, to phone Eq's, flangers etc...
you can monitor the plugin to get the settings set and yes it will print the compression,eq,reverb or what ever plugin

What about the latency with these real time effects? Can you monitor the effects while recording?
 
___TB___ said:
What about the latency with these real time effects? Can you monitor the effects while recording?
"I" personally haven't had any type of problems with latency.. my latency is around 1.5ms...

last night i tracked some vox with a 1176 then retracked the singer with out the 1176 and used as a plug.
the 1st has more edge imo.. its more upfront, you can hear every word clear and the hi's are great but not siblant.
 
curious as to what your settings for the 1176 are and which one you use the se or the ln? i can never seem to get the 1176 to work on vox...
 
<<nuendo 2 WILL PRINT THE PLUGIN WHILE TRACKING>>


WOW

that's great! guess it's time to upgrade. thanks for passing that info along.

need to get me one of them UAD-1 cards, too. they sound ridiculously useful.


wade
 
Teacher said:
curious as to what your settings for the 1176 are and which one you use the se or the ln? i can never seem to get the 1176 to work on vox...
yea its a little iffy at times, thats why i usually use a rcomp or la2a.
i can't wait to use the fairchild later this week :D
for this track i used the 1176ln. I sometimes use the se, but imo it doesn't sound the same... sometimes better, sometimews worse..
as for the input/output.. i just dial the knobs until it sounds right to me. for the song i tracked i don't know the settings i used off the top of my head, but as for everything else.. it was something like this..
attack- set at 2 or 3
release- set to 1
4:1 ratio for decent compression, 8:1 sometimes for loud artist..
with the 1176 you just have to mess around with it until you make the sound you want. i find that eq before the 1176 sounds better (on vox) than compression then eq...
i've used 20:1 before and got great results.. just sit down and mix some vox with it.. you'll learn to like it.. if not.. the la2a sounds awesome and its easy as hell to use.
 
mrface2112 said:
<<nuendo 2 WILL PRINT THE PLUGIN WHILE TRACKING>>


WOW

that's great! guess it's time to upgrade. thanks for passing that info along.

need to get me one of them UAD-1 cards, too. they sound ridiculously useful.


wade
yea its a nice feature.. i use to track vox with magneto so get tape emulation while tracking
 
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