using 2 speaker sets with Delta 44

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Windows XP Home with SP1.
Delta 44.

I got outs on all outs (1 2 3 and 4).

1 and 2 go to my monitor speakers - and work fine as usual.
3 and 4 go to my other speakers (aiwa..stereo system speakers).

however, i cannot get 3 and 4 to work. and it all comes down to making the comp recognize them i assume, becaue in the delta control panel, i see no activity in OUT 3/4. I only see activity in OUT 1/2 and the Master Volume as well, of course.

so my question is, how do i get windows to recognize all 4 outs? In my system settings, it is set to "delta 44 monitor mixer" everywhere...

so i assume once windows recognizes it, or the delta control panel, that is....that ntrack will too.

thanks to whoever can help.
 
The Delta 44 has two pairs of outputs. You've got the outputs 1+2 figured out for use as routed from the monitor mixer. That's probably what you want. Outputs 3+4 can have the following outputted to them:

Wav out 3/4: If your software allows it (Cubase does, but I don't know about N-track....), you might have your master bus routed to wav out 1/2, and then you might have an aux master bus routed to wav out 3/4. That would be the typical setup for that particular setting.

Hardware in 1/2: So, let's say you have an outboard mixer. You could run an output of your mixer into the hardware inputs of the Delta 44, inputs 1+2. You could then run from your mixer to the delta, and then out from outputs 3/4 on the Delta to your stereo.

Hardware in 3/4: could be run same as above, only with your mixer plugged into the hardware inputs 3+4....

There are a few other possibiilties, but these are your most typical. I personally use the first two scenarios.

Chris
 
hmmm...so i'm looking at no way to be able to hear the same thing, out of both sets of speakers?

another possibility i suppose:

i am running 2 different recievers, because the aiwa's are part of a minisystem that has a special "hifi" plug in of some sort. Can i run a lineout from one reciever to an aux in on the other? will this change the sound (as it passes through both recievers instead of just one to a set of speakers)?

for exmaple , i'll try to explain in another way, because i know this gets confusing...lol:
-out 1/2 to aux in, in my AIWA ministem reciever
-line out from AIWA minisystem, to my old 1975 aux in reciever.

i know that works, but will the sound be changed throughout it, or will it just be coming straight from my delta, untouched as it passes through both recievers, to either set of speakers (as long as the recievers remain flat).
 
I apologize in advance if this is too simple, but Delta's Control Panel (at least on my 1010) has a way of muting channels that takes two separate actions to undo. You have to uncheck the mute box and raise the faders which are all the way down by default.
 
haha, dont worry, i am not THAT computer illiterate...hahaha

i dont get ANY action at all on the control panel in either of those channels though...which i still think may be the problem. even with faders up, soloed, i've tried everything. harumph.
 
?haha, dont worry, i am not THAT computer illiterate

I was, for a few moments at least! :D
 
You have to route to those outputs in your recording software. Yes you can do this in n-Track, take a look at the main bus, I think you'll find it there. You can only route the output from the monitor mixer to outputs 1 & 2 though, so be warned (driver limitation).

For regular windows playback, go into Control Panel -> Sounds and Multimedia then select the Audio tab. For "Sound Playback", you should be able to select M-audio Delta 3/4 as your preferred playback device. If you don't have this option, then you might need a driver upgrade....or you might be running Win9x and I'm not sure how the drivers work on that platform. Works on 2K and I assume XP.

Then as doc said, watch your faders and mutes. Every fugging time I try to work with this Delta I spend the first 20 minutes trying to figure out why I can't hear anything :)

Slackmaster 2000
 
...If you're just looking for an easy way to toggle speaker sets on & off, why not buy a speaker selector switch from (eek) Radio Shack? (that's what I use). It's about 25 bucks, and I just push the button for the speaker set I want to use. I didn't want to have to worry about software routing support, so I just went that route - works just fine for me.

If you're Radio-Shack phobic (most of us are), Calrad makes them too. I've seen them on ebay.
 
hmm that is my other option, but i figure - 4 outs, might as well use em.

slack - if i select 3/4, will it ONLY use 3/4? is there any way for everything to send everything to 1/2 AND 3/4?


so in ntrack, i can only have 2 main outs at a time - that is, 2 outs that hear the actual mix....?
 
Whoa, why would you monitor on two systems at the same time? I'll have to look into that one. n-Tracks "routing" options aren't necessarily limited, but they're not obvious.

Yes if you select 3/4 in the multimedia control panel, regular windows applications will only use those channels.

Slackmaster 2000
 
not 2 at once...but so i can easily switch between the 2 different recievers.

that was the most obvious setup for me.


however - if going through one recievers line out will not effect the sound, then i see no problem just doing that. correct? would you say that it WOULD affect the sound?
 
Slack was referring to the "windows" representation of a soundcard installation which only recognizes a stereo pair.

So when you tell Windows which of your physical inputs and outputs to use it will ONLY use those. Recording apps that have multitracking capability have to be a little smarter and actually give you a choice of routing possibilities that is based on the physical I/O that's available.

>why not buy a speaker selector switch

Same reason I cringe at even a patch bay.... :eek:

When one is trying to squeeze the most out of a limited collection of pro-sumer garbage one of the easiest optimizations available is to shorten the signal path wherever possible. Eliminate any unnecessary connectors/wires/adapters/routers/etc.

Of course this will always be a tradeoff of convenience vs. the cleanest sound possible. Works for me. YMMV.
 
shackrock...yes you can have all four outs active at the same time.....set your master output bus to outputs 3-4, and then in your delta44 control panel in the routing tab, have Monitor/Mixer (1st column) and Wav out 3/4 (2nd column) activated.....that way your audio is going to all four outputs...when you want the 3-4 pair of speakers to be playing back, mute 1-2..and vice versa....
works for me...I've got all four outputs "shining green" all the time...:D :D
 
Roker1 said:
shackrock...yes you can have all four outs active at the same time.....set your master output bus to outputs 3-4, and then in your delta44 control panel in the routing tab, have Monitor/Mixer (1st column) and Wav out 3/4 (2nd column) activated.....that way your audio is going to all four outputs...when you want the 3-4 pair of speakers to be playing back, mute 1-2..and vice versa....
works for me...I've got all four outputs "shining green" all the time...:D :D
Click to expand...

doesn't work for me....lol


more detail? haha
 
gee man..what do you mean more detail :mad: :) :) ...I dunno mate....have you got both output pairs option on your master bus?? Try doing the same thing as I said above, but now instead of setting Routing settings to Monitor Mixer and Wav Out 3/4, try wavout 1/2 and wavout 3/4.....but in this case you'll have to switch between the pairs in the master bus...I hope this helps:(

Good luck
 
Isn't there a possibility of simply splitting each of the 1,2 OUT lines with a cable splitter and then running each of those to the desired destinations?
 
You can't really split a signal like that. I mean you can, but you're unfortunately bound by the laws of physics :)

Shack, plugging cables in and out of the breakout box might be a lot easier than worrying about all this. Plus the monitor mixer only routes through 1/2.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Slack,

So there really is no way to split each of the line outs with a 'Y' splitter or something? Or would it just sound bad? Or am I missing something else?
 
What you end up when you split a standard line level signal with a Y cable are two non-standard non-line level signals. If it were possible to split a signal into two identical signals, then we would have found an infinite energy source :)

In order to do that properly you need a line preamp of some sort. Alternatively, you could use a Y cable or box of some sort if it was switched. Or, you could just plug the appropriate cables in to the breakout box :)

Slackmaster 2000
 
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