Ukraine - The Ugly Truth (long article)

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Sky Blue Lou

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Man it is all here: war-mongering, interfering in foreign nations, interfering in US elections, US corruption... it don't get much more obvious.

It is a long article. Take your time. Read and understand. Then we can discuss. Thanks.

lou

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How 10 years of US meddling in Ukraine undermined democracy and fueled war

While the Biden administration claims to be "defending democracy" in Ukraine, its role there has caused political upheaval from Kyiv to Washington. A Ukrainian insider reveals new details.
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rob aylestone said:
Me too - the British viewpoints are equally mangled. Pretty mych the US and the UK have two views of history running side by side. Take your pick.
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However, there's far too many similarities to dismiss as coincidence... Not to mention, all the obvious US media bias against "British viewpoints".

Face it, the US Socialist Democrat party has been influence peddling for much longer than anyone realizes. Bernie Sanders and the Clintons come to mind...:cautious:
 
JAPOV said:
However, there's far too many similarities to dismiss as coincidence... Not to mention, all the obvious US media bias against "British viewpoints".

Face it, the US Socialist Democrat party has been influence peddling for much longer than anyone realizes. Bernie Sanders and the Clintons come to mind...:cautious:
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Clinton? A socialist? lol. I take it you believe politicians are running the government?
 
It WAS a long read but made it through to the end.

There are some assumptions and allegations regarding correspondence and evidence cited, but assuming that evidence is documented, then yeah, a lot of tomfoolery that the US involved itself in that has since escalated. I said and believe that from the border massing and certainly after the encroachment, diplomatic negotiations should’ve been a top priority for Ukraine and encouraged by the U.S. if we wanted so bad to be involved. So much conflict, but not all, can be resolved or limited by bartering the ‘negotiables’. Short of troops on the ground by EU/U.S., Ukraine will not win this conflict and dumping billions of dollars in aid is wasted money imo. It’s not helping Russia monetarily either. They need a respected mediator to get legitimate dialogue happening. Legitimate not meaning ‘leave Ukraine’ or ‘give us Ukraine’ but a give and take solution. There are eastern areas of Ukraine that are pro-Russian, same as Belarus and parts of Serbia. Why deny people their will? Not everyone will be happy but the status quo has a right to determine how they want to live and govern, within reason, e.g.- as long as it doesn’t harm neighboring sovereign nations.
 
I was disappointed to read (if true) McCain’s involvement in this because I wanted him to win the Rep primary and Presidency over George W, when he still had his wits about him, but that was gone or severely eroded by 2008 and chowing Palin (and letting her speak) was a bad political strategy. That’s when I cast my vote for Obama and (throws up in mouth a little bit…Biden).

I understand there are key regions and territories the mighty US needs as allies and that reality in competing superpower governments, but we can’t own everything and nor should we aspire to. Unnecessary.
 
brassplyer said:
Billions upon billions for Ukraine but we supposedly can't afford to build a wall and instead have a policy of encouraging an invasion of our own border.

FJB
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dogooder said:
I take it you believe politicians are running the government?
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Are we sending billions to Ukraine? Yes. Is there a policy of allowing an invasion of our border? Yes. Someone for whom Biden is a puppet has enacted what I outlined.
 
brassplyer said:
Are we sending billions to Ukraine? Yes. Is there a policy of allowing an invasion of our border? Yes. Someone for whom Biden is a puppet has enacted what I outlined.
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Can you name that some one and their motives or is it all conjecture on your part? Thank you.
 
Seeker of Rock said:
I was disappointed to read (if true) McCain’s involvement in this because I wanted him to win the Rep primary and Presidency over George W, when he still had his wits about him, but that was gone or severely eroded by 2008 and chowing Palin (and letting her speak) was a bad political strategy. That’s when I cast my vote for Obama and (throws up in mouth a little bit…Biden).

I understand there are key regions and territories the mighty US needs as allies and that reality in competing superpower governments, but we can’t own everything and nor should we aspire to. Unnecessary.
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He didn't choose Palin, she was chosen for him.
 
brassplyer said:
Are we sending billions to Ukraine? Yes. Is there a policy of allowing an invasion of our border? Yes. Someone for whom Biden is a puppet has enacted what I outlined.
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dogooder said:
Can you name that some one and their motives or is it all conjecture on your part? Thank you.
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You asked if I'm under the impression that politicians are running things - which has no bearing on the fact that what I stated is true.
 
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