Types of mix you like.

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What type of mix do you want?

  • New York

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • LA

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • London

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • Custom - Hell those mixes, I want my own.

    Votes: 11 57.9%
  • Total voters
    19
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jerberson12

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OK guys i wanna know if what type of mix do you want but please read the information on each mix first.

NEW YORK Style

It is perhaps the easiest to identify it features a lot of compression, which makes the mix very punchy and aggressive. In many cases, the compressed instruments (mostly rythm section) are even recompressed several times along the way. It seems that every newyork engineer that i interviewed (even the transplanted ones) had virtually the same trick. Send the drums (sometimes with the bass) into a couple of busses, send that through some compressor, squeeze to taste, then add back a judicious amount of this compressed rythm section to the mix through a couple faders. This can be enhanced even further by boosting the high and low frequencies (lots of boost in most cases) to the compressed signal as well. For an example of this, listen to any of the mixes that Ed Stasium (proud practitioner of this method) has done, such as the Mick Jagger solo album, She's the Boss or anything by the Smithereens or Living Color.

LA Style

The LA sound is a somewhat more natural sound; it is compressed, but to a less obvious degree than the New York style. There's a lot less effects layering than the london style. The LA style has always tried to capture a musical event and augment it a little, rather than recreate it. Some good examples would be any of the Doobie Brothers or Van Halen hits of the 70's and 80's.

London Style

The london sound is a highly layered musical event that borrows some from the New York style in that it's somewhat compressed, but deals with multitple effects layers. This style makes extensive use of whatbis known as perpective, which puts each instrument into its own distinct sonic environment. Although musical arrangement is important to any good mix, its even more a distinctive characteristic of a london mix. What this mean is that many parts appears at different times during mix, some for effects, some to change the dynamic of the song. Each new part will be in its own environment and as a result will have a different perpective. A perfect example of this would be Yes' Owners of a lonely hearts, or just about anything done by Trevor Horn, such as Seal or Grace Jones

Custom Style
Hell those mixes, i want my own!

Reference
The Mixing Engineer's HandBook by Bobby Owsinski
 
modern new york with tasteful bits o' london, it seems. :D

my fav ever example is 'dig for fire' by the pixies... maybe i'm off base, so if so, tell me
 
wesley tanner said:
modern new york with tasteful bits o' london, it seems. :D
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i guess london came from new york, why dont you just say atlantic :eek:

just say london (anyway its has a characteristices of new york) ;)
 
Some of my mixes have resembled a Cleveland Steamer, as far as a geographical reference goes.
 
The 5th Ammendment

I refuse to answer this question on the grounds that I would never admit in public to liking anything that has the "LA" tag on it...especially if it is associated with the Doobie Brothers. :p

(To those more sensitive viewers in the Land Without Weather, relax; I'm just kidding around. ;) )

G.
 
I like a good margarita mix, from time to time. Tangy, with a kick, and the possibility that you may wake up bruised and swollen next to a stripper.

Tom Collins mix is another good one. More sophisticated. Chicks dig it.
 
Dogman said:
Cool. Scrubs said swollen, then he said stripper. That is a great mix.
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Dogman!!!!!Am I gona' hafta keep followin' you round with this paddle?! :eek:

NOW GET ON THE BUS !!!!!!! :D
 
what about my own midwestern sound? organic folky sound on the actousic instruments with electric instrument compresseds compressed and smacked around. and it'd be midrangy.
 
For me the mix is dependent upon the tracks that have been recorded. We try to record the right sound to start with so that we don't need to mess with it very much during mixdown.
That probably tends me toward the LA thing as described above, but I would use whatever style that the song seemed to demand.

Also, drinking lots of cola during mixing is crucial.
 
scrubs said:
I like a good margarita mix, from time to time. Tangy, with a kick, and the possibility that you may wake up bruised and swollen next to a stripper.

Tom Collins mix is another good one. More sophisticated. Chicks dig it.
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Well, back when I drank, if I'm playing then it's JD and coke. But if I'm just partying it's JD straight outta the bottle, no chase. Chicks dug the, uh, OTHER results... ;)
 
London came from New York?

Not to be argumentitive, but I thought the London and New York sounds were (at least early on) fairly different. London being the whole depth, space, layered thing and New York being the more tight, focused, present sound. I know at least that London is credited with being the first place to really define the layered, depth, reverb sound.

Not a big deal, but I just didn't think the London sound came out of New York.
 
jerberson12 said:
AHA!!!! You have been trick. This is a hijack, gimme all your chiclets :eek:
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I actually had to vote custom. If you ever heard my music, you'd know why. :D It's, well, custom. Now, here's a chicklet.
Ed
 
true-eurt said:
Dogman!!!!!Am I gona' hafta keep followin' you round with this paddle?! :eek:

NOW GET ON THE BUS !!!!!!! :D
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You've obviously not been following close enough. The kickass country tune is climbing up the charts right now.
 
scrubs said:
I like a good margarita mix, from time to time. Tangy, with a kick, and the possibility that you may wake up bruised and swollen next to a stripper....
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There's a big recording studio/post production outfit in L.A. called Margarita Mix.....marvelous facility, excellent amenities (all kinds).....
I think they may use that exact statement in their advertising ......
:cool:


....sorry for the detour.....carry on........ :o
 
jerberson12 said:
NEW YORK Style

It is perhaps the easiest to identify it features a lot of compression, which makes the mix very punchy and aggressive. In many cases, the compressed instruments (mostly rythm section) are even recompressed several times along the way. It seems that every newyork engineer that i interviewed (even the transplanted ones) had virtually the same trick. Send the drums (sometimes with the bass) into a couple of busses, send that through some compressor, squeeze to taste, then add back a judicious amount of this compressed rythm section to the mix through a couple faders. This can be enhanced even further by boosting the high and low frequencies (lots of boost in most cases) to the compressed signal as well.
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I was wondering if anyone could elaborate a little more on this style? I guess it wouldn't be a favourite around here as it sounds like it pretty much kills dynamics... but I've been trying to pursue a more punchy aggresive style with my own music as... quite frankly... dynamics are not overly important in the style I'm attempting, (hard rock, metal). I'm really trying to get my drums and bass very punchy... and was looking for some mixing/mastering tips to achieve this (not so musical) result.
 
satansparakeet said:
I was wondering if anyone could elaborate a little more on this style? I guess it wouldn't be a favourite around here as it sounds like it pretty much kills dynamics... but I've been trying to pursue a more punchy aggresive style with my own music as... quite frankly... dynamics are not overly important in the style I'm attempting, (hard rock, metal). I'm really trying to get my drums and bass very punchy... and was looking for some mixing/mastering tips to achieve this (not so musical) result.
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I think Bobby was pertaining to a commercial kind of music (famous songs), We all know too much compression is a hell. But most end-listeners do like this, maybe almost everybody except recording engineers. Ill tell you, i had a mix with too much compression, my family and relatives listened to it and they do all like the mix and they said its kind of professional although it was really bad for my ear, you know end -listeners listened too much from the commercial radio (too much compression) that they get used to that kind of mix. If i have a chance to mix a song for popularity, id compress it real hard.

Thats why i voted for Custom :eek: :eek:
I forgot to tell ya New York style compression's ratio is 7:1, my style is 6.9:1
 
I just like whatever makes something sound good.

However it is you get there, within reason.

I'm a firm believer in LA when it comes to drums. Best drum sounds ever tracked are just a great drummer, a good room, and a few mics. Guitars have gotta' be London, in my book. Layers -- tons of them, panned everywhere.

And vocals have gotta' be New York. Up-front, compressed to the hilt. Light on the reverb.
 
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