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Alexi
New member
my opinion is that the rnp is overrated, get a dmp3 instead, just to save you some cash.
and well, for the rest of the money get a decent outboard eq........
cheers
and well, for the rest of the money get a decent outboard eq........
cheers
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tmix
Well-known member
I respectfully disagree with Alexi.
I have both the DMP-3s and RNPs and the RNPs are definately better for drums. They are beefier in the mids and lows and have quite a bit more headroom. I usually put the RNPs on what ever is going to handle the hottest signal. If I am going to be close micing the Kick and snare, and using THAT sound primarily, that is where I put the RNPs. Then I will use the DMP where it is not easily overloaded. It works well for overheads where you have a little distance. It IS a very clear Quiet unit. I don't know much about the twin Q, although I do have a Meek MQ3 that I use primarily on kick because of the opto compressor.
My opinion obviously, your taste in drum sounds and style may be totally different than mine.
I have both the DMP-3s and RNPs and the RNPs are definately better for drums. They are beefier in the mids and lows and have quite a bit more headroom. I usually put the RNPs on what ever is going to handle the hottest signal. If I am going to be close micing the Kick and snare, and using THAT sound primarily, that is where I put the RNPs. Then I will use the DMP where it is not easily overloaded. It works well for overheads where you have a little distance. It IS a very clear Quiet unit. I don't know much about the twin Q, although I do have a Meek MQ3 that I use primarily on kick because of the opto compressor.
My opinion obviously, your taste in drum sounds and style may be totally different than mine.
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McQ
New member
Hey, TMIX!tmix said:
Apparently you have the same taste as some others of note. The below-referenced library was made with RNPs on the various rooms:
http://www.globalfulfillment.net/gfsnet/giga/10Expand.aspx?ProductCode=LSACDRUMS
And was discussed by the engineer here (2nd or 3rd page, IIRC):
http://www.tascamgiga.com/larry1.html
Cheers!
McQ
Supercreep
Lizard People
So, between the Twin Q and the RNP......
Anybody have experience with both?
Thnkx!
Anybody have experience with both?
Thnkx!
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Supercreep said:
The only way to know this is to try, but I own an RNP as well, and I can tell you that the twinQ is very good for overheads, just don't over compress and you will not get all that color and tone. The RNP is not all that neutral either....
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DJL
Self Banned
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Supercreep said:
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But which one do you think works better for drum overheads... the TwinQ or RNP? And which one do you think works better for kick and snare... the TwinQ or RNP? Also, which one do you think is closer to neutral... the TwinQ or RNP?alanhyatt said:
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Fab4ever
Getting better
So Don, are you asking because you really want to know Alan's opinion, or are you trying to bait him so you can then slam him for pimping his gear?
Seriously, I'd be interested in hearing your reply. Not trying to be a smart-aleck.
Seriously, I'd be interested in hearing your reply. Not trying to be a smart-aleck.
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DJL
Self Banned
Neither... I'm trying to help Supercreep by getting Mr. Alan Hyatt from PMI-AG markerting to answer his question. But, if or when Mr. Alan Hyatt answers Supercreep's question I would be interested in hearing the technical reasons (if any) behind his answer.Fab4ever said:
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chessrock
Banned
Oooh boy.
Guy asks which one is better, and the owners and distributors for each of the products in question start chiming in.
I say we let 'em duel to the death. I wanna' see this.
Guy asks which one is better, and the owners and distributors for each of the products in question start chiming in.
I say we let 'em duel to the death. I wanna' see this.
Supercreep
Lizard People
I just want to know what other people might do with the pres in question. I'm over the whole better/better/best thing.
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DJL
Self Banned
What? Oh, ok... now I see it. I didn't realize who "McQ" was until your comment... thanks for the heads-up.chessrock said:
I'm going to stay on the side line... I want to see this too.
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boingoman
New member
Supercreep said:
I know what I would do. Run, don't walk, away from this thread.
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Harvey Gerst
New member
The TwinQ has about +21 dB of headroom before clipping; the RNP has +28 dB of headroom before clipping. The Twin Q is -3 dB down at 70 kHz; the RNP is -3 dB down at 300 kHz. The Twin Q is pretty much a complete 2-channel strip with preamps, compressors, and 3-band EQs; the RNP is a 2-channel preamp only. Both are not neutral sounding.
Two very different products, at two very different price points.
Two very different products, at two very different price points.
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DJL
Self Banned
Supercreep said:
Supercreep said:
I think what Supercreep wants to know is... if you only owned the TwinQ and RNP... and were miking a drum set using four mics (KK, SN, & 2-O.H's)... which preamp would you most likely use for overheads?Harvey Gerst said:
Also, setting cost aside... it would be nice to know if in your opinion it would be better or not to get two of the same preamps for this application (4 mics-drums) rather than one of each... and if so... which one, the TwinQ or RNP? In other words... do you like one of these preamps more than the other for both overheads, kick, and snare?
If you're friends with both McQ (RNP) and Alan (TwinQ) it might be hard for you to answer... but, please set friendship aside for a moment and tell us your honest opinion. McQ and Alan are big boys so they should be able to handle it. Thanks in behalf of everyone like myself who would like to know.
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tmix
Well-known member
If it were me....
Since he allready has the twin Q.
It is certainly unserstandable that if he absolutely loves the preamp sound he could pick up another to have 4 channels of the same.
But if he is like me he will want a few different channels for variety.
I look at it like this, if he has any desire to compress any of his kit, that is where I would use the twin Q. The kick and snare would be my obvious choice beause of the close micing . The overheads I never compress on tracking.
Again this is what I would do.
I have 4 channel of RNP but I find mixing up pres helps put the special character of each pre / drum to best use.
For instance, I use a Meek M3q on the kick because of the opto compressor and EQ, I leave it permanently there (except for occasional bass guitar). I use a ART Studio MP for the snare because I like the grit it gives the snare when it starts kicking the tube. I use the RNPs for the toms and over heads when playing hard. because it handles it well and is full bodied, and lastly, I will switch out the Overheads to a DMP-3 when doing soft brush work because it seems a little more light / clear sounding.
So my suggestion, start with the twin Q on kick and Snare... you can always change it around.
I think there is nothing to fear about your intended purchase, it is one that I would do.
Tom
Since he allready has the twin Q.
It is certainly unserstandable that if he absolutely loves the preamp sound he could pick up another to have 4 channels of the same.
But if he is like me he will want a few different channels for variety.
I look at it like this, if he has any desire to compress any of his kit, that is where I would use the twin Q. The kick and snare would be my obvious choice beause of the close micing . The overheads I never compress on tracking.
Again this is what I would do.
I have 4 channel of RNP but I find mixing up pres helps put the special character of each pre / drum to best use.
For instance, I use a Meek M3q on the kick because of the opto compressor and EQ, I leave it permanently there (except for occasional bass guitar). I use a ART Studio MP for the snare because I like the grit it gives the snare when it starts kicking the tube. I use the RNPs for the toms and over heads when playing hard. because it handles it well and is full bodied, and lastly, I will switch out the Overheads to a DMP-3 when doing soft brush work because it seems a little more light / clear sounding.
So my suggestion, start with the twin Q on kick and Snare... you can always change it around.
I think there is nothing to fear about your intended purchase, it is one that I would do.
Tom
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Harvey Gerst
New member
I'd use the RNP for the overheads, since it has greater headroom and wider frequency response.DJL said:
I'd probably use a TwinQ on the kick and snare to have more control over the tone of both, since most snares and kicks usually require additional tweaking. But, I could make do quite nicely with 2 RNP's, since I already own a ton of RNC compressors, and a lot of nice eq's. If I didn't already have some decent compressors and eq's, the TwinQ would probably be a great choice for kick and snare.DJL said:
There's no friendship conflict here. Although I'm friends with both McQ (RNP) and Alan (TwinQ), they know that I don't cut them any slack when it comes to talking about their products (both the good and the bad), and I think they appreciate my honesty.DJL said:
The RNP is a very wide range, no nonsense, dual channel preamp. The TwinQ is a very flexible dual channel strip that offers a lot of distinctive colors.
Disclaimer: I own the RNP. I've only heard the TwinQ once or twice, but I was very impressed with it. But I wouldn't consider the two products interchangable.
Supercreep
Lizard People
Thanks very much for all of your thoughtful responses. Good points about the Q being a little more flexible for Kick and Snare - I appreciate it.
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DJL
Self Banned
Thank you tmix and Harvey... I think that's what Supercreep was looking for and it was what I wanted to know also.