TV, animation EQing

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When i watch animation and old 70's TV music they use special EQ to get that TV or animation sounds its like false eq's or something

Is there Software or something i can use to get these sounds for mixdown ??
 
The TV show Mash or Hawaiian five-o the beginning music has a TV eq sound compression and EQ

how do they get these sounds please?

When i watch the movie Heavy Metal the animation is has music but the music has been EQ to make it sound animation how do they do this please?
 
I hear the TV eqs on the "A team" TV show with Mr.T and Chips the 2 bike cops the music in the beginnings of the show have a special TV eq and compressors to make it sound TVish u know what i mean
 
Walters, can you give us advance notice of your next posting so I can take some drugs before reading it?

Thanks.
 
That's so easy. Just broadcast your music over the airwaves, tune it in on your TV, and then mic up the TV speaker. That should get you there.
 
walters said:
I hear the TV eqs on the "A team" TV show with Mr.T and Chips the 2 bike cops the music in the beginnings of the show have a special TV eq and compressors to make it sound TVish u know what i mean


stupid fuck. go to hell.
 
i don't think this person speaks english as their first language.


just mess with your eq, probably cutting in the higher frequencies to get the sound.

do you want fuzz on your recording? just record some lame preamp and boost the fuzz until you get it to a decent level.
 
do not goad him...please do not answer with anything resembling serious...


he is a troll. a TROLL.

cello_pudding said:
i don't think this person speaks english as their first language.


just mess with your eq, probably cutting in the higher frequencies to get the sound.

do you want fuzz on your recording? just record some lame preamp and boost the fuzz until you get it to a decent level.
 
Optimod 8100

The next three devices are Harris MSP-90 tri-band AGC-Compressors. The upper and lower of the three are used as "pre-processors" which feed the Optimod 8100 unit (below). these are required, as the Optimod utilizes a "neural network" add-in card. The center MSP-90 "pre-processes" the mono-only output of the audio console. This is fed into the AM processors (which you'll see a little later on).
The fourth (and last) Harris MSP-90 unit is a single band compressor and peak limiter. These are used as a "noise gate, compressor, limiter" to clean-up external feeds on an "as needed" basis. Most use involves clean-up of National Weather Service audio for EAS use.
Orban Optimod 8100 A/1 + XT2 6-band Limiter & 8100
This is for a working, used, Orban Optimod 8100A/1 FM Broadcast Audio Processor, with optional (and RARE) XT2 6-band limiter add-on, and an 8100 Studio Chassis (used if you have a pair of discrete STLs instead of a composite STL). This unit was in operation at a local radio station until they upgraded their transmitter site with a new transmitter and audio processor. This combination was the KING of the 80's processing, and one of the LOUDEST audio processors on the market. It comes complete with the user/maintenance manuals for the XT2 and 8100, complete with factory test data sheets. I do not have the manual for the studio chassis, but it is available online at Orban's FTP site: ftp.orban.com. I am selling this unit as-is due to it's age, but it does have a new Card 6 installed, and the replacement cards 3 and 4 for use with the studio chassis are installed in the studio chassis (you have to install them in the 8100 mainframe and install the original 8100 cards (that are in the mainframe now) into the studio chassis. Complete and just off-the-air. Has a the famous Optimod Stereo Generator and all the knobs and covers are there.


Are u sure the Optimod will give me this TVish sound?

A Optimod is just a Limiter right?
 
walters said:
Are u sure the Optimod will give me this TVish sound?
You could probably get close with a software multiband compressor set up to function more as a limiter, or an inexpensive MB limiter like the Dave Brown MB plug. Try the slim slow slider MB compressor if you don't have a MB compressor. It's freeware. Just flatten out the dynamics, then EQ out the lows and highs and... instant TV sound. Of course I have my own Hawaii Five-O and Mash simulation settings but those are proprietary, sorry.

Tim
 
please die now.
walters said:
Optimod 8100

The next three devices are Harris MSP-90 tri-band AGC-Compressors. The upper and lower of the three are used as "pre-processors" which feed the Optimod 8100 unit (below). these are required, as the Optimod utilizes a "neural network" add-in card. The center MSP-90 "pre-processes" the mono-only output of the audio console. This is fed into the AM processors (which you'll see a little later on).
The fourth (and last) Harris MSP-90 unit is a single band compressor and peak limiter. These are used as a "noise gate, compressor, limiter" to clean-up external feeds on an "as needed" basis. Most use involves clean-up of National Weather Service audio for EAS use.
Orban Optimod 8100 A/1 + XT2 6-band Limiter & 8100
This is for a working, used, Orban Optimod 8100A/1 FM Broadcast Audio Processor, with optional (and RARE) XT2 6-band limiter add-on, and an 8100 Studio Chassis (used if you have a pair of discrete STLs instead of a composite STL). This unit was in operation at a local radio station until they upgraded their transmitter site with a new transmitter and audio processor. This combination was the KING of the 80's processing, and one of the LOUDEST audio processors on the market. It comes complete with the user/maintenance manuals for the XT2 and 8100, complete with factory test data sheets. I do not have the manual for the studio chassis, but it is available online at Orban's FTP site: ftp.orban.com. I am selling this unit as-is due to it's age, but it does have a new Card 6 installed, and the replacement cards 3 and 4 for use with the studio chassis are installed in the studio chassis (you have to install them in the 8100 mainframe and install the original 8100 cards (that are in the mainframe now) into the studio chassis. Complete and just off-the-air. Has a the famous Optimod Stereo Generator and all the knobs and covers are there.


Are u sure the Optimod will give me this TVish sound?

A Optimod is just a Limiter right?
 
walters said:
I hear the TV eqs on the "A team" TV show with Mr.T and Chips the 2 bike cops the music in the beginnings of the show have a special TV eq and compressors to make it sound TVish u know what i mean

walters, you're the best. another classic :)
 
THanks Tim for the help

Whats the difference between a multiband LIMITER VS a multiband Compressor ?

Do i put a MB Limiter on the master or mixdown?

How do i filter out the highs and lows with a MB Limiter ?
 
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Multiband vs Wideband Processing A very significant problem with wideband processing is "spectral gain intermodulation" which occurs when one part of the spectrum controls the level of another part. A typical situation is a vocalist being "sucked down" every time the kick drum hits.
Since most energy is contained in the lower frequencies, they tend to control the level of the entire spectrum. When the lower frequencies are above the limit threshold the higher frequencies are attenuated thus causing the output to be dull.
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The Dominator II uses program dependent, intelligent circuits to reduce the number of controls. The user, therefore, has flexibility to shape the sound while quickly and easily achieving the goal of consistent, effective limiting
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One conventional approach to making the summed output predictable is to use a wideband limiter after the summing. This, however, introduces all the drawbacks of wideband limiting discussed above.
Another approach is to use a clipper on the summed output. This causes too much clipping distortion if the summed output is too high. In order to avoid this distortion the limiters' thresholds are set very far below the clipper threshold. The drawback is a loss of loudness and, due to the lower thresholds, much greater amount of processing.
The Dominator II uses a patented method to produce a predictable peak output while maintaining maximum loudness without audible distortion- the Automatic Limit Threshold (ALT). The outputs of the three bands are summed and sent to the ALT detector circuit. If the sum exceeds a reference value, the ALT reduces the thresholds of the individual limiters. When the summed output falls below the reference value the limit thresholds return to their original setting.
The ALT circuit has a self-adjusting finite attack time. The amount of time it takes to lower the thresholds of the limiters is the length of time the limiters' overshoot may be in the clipper. The reference value of the ALT in relation to the clipper determines the depth of clipping.
Both parameters are set by the Density control. When the Density control is set higher, the ALT reference gets closer to clipping, and the attack time is slower, producing more clipping. The opposite occurs when Density is set lower. The "0 RCH" position for the Density control emulates the standard parameters of the original Studio Dominator Model 700, and is recommended for general use.
It should be noted that there is only one ALT circuit controlling both channels equally. This provides global stereo balance and imaging by assuring that both channels always limit at the same threshold. This does cause an interaction if the Dominator II is used as two independent channels. Therefore, we do not recommend such a practice
Model 722 Pre- and De-emphasis Pre-emphasis is an equalization curve expressed as a time value based on the ratio of a resistor and capacitor. The higher the value, the greater the equalization. It has been employed as a noise reduction technique for broadcast and transmission links. There are primarily two world standards- 50 and 75 microseconds.
The Dominator II Model 722 has separately switchable pre and de-emphasis curves. When pre-emphasis is switched in, either 50 or 75 microseconds, the equalization curve is added after the input stage and before the limiters. When de-emphasis is switched in, the complementary de-emphasis curve is inserted after the final clipper and before the output stage.
When both pre and de-emphasis are switched in, the frequency response of the output is flat. When the input is below threshold and as the input increases above threshold the output takes the shape of the de-emphasis curve.
When both pre and de-emphasis are switched out, the Model 722 works exactly like the Model 720.
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walters said:
Whats the difference between a multiband LIMITER VS a multiband Compressor ?
Well, given that a limiter is just a fast compressor using a high ratio, you can set a MB compressor to function as an OK limiter for some things but you can't set a limiter to compress at a low ratio. You'd just have to play with them and see how they sound different.

How do i filter out the highs and lows with a MB Limiter?
Depending on where you set the crossovers, you might be able to tweak the levels of the outer bands to do that. More flexible though to just use an EQ along with the MB and roll things off whatever way sounds most like the TV.

Why do you want it to sound like TV?

Tim
 
Timothy, do you like getting reeled into his game, or do you just not know that he isnt being at all serious?? Beware...

Some view playing with the mongoloid as a hobby, if this is the case, my apologies. :D

I look forward to the day when Walters commits Hari-Kari.




Timothy Lawler said:
Well, given that a limiter is just a fast compressor using a high ratio, you can set a MB compressor to function as an OK limiter for some things but you can't set a limiter to compress at a low ratio. You'd just have to play with them and see how they sound different.

Depending on where you set the crossovers, you might be able to tweak the levels of the outer bands to do that. More flexible though to just use an EQ along with the MB and roll things off whatever way sounds most like the TV.

Why do you want it to sound like TV?

Tim
 
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