andycerrone
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Hey, I got an old trumpet and I've been cleaning it up. I can't get the slide valves off though, and I've tried using oils and stuff. Any ideas? 
andycerrone
Banned
Problem solved. Get an experienced guy to do it for me.
Hah.
Hah.
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!..
What make/model is it? Wanna see pics!
What make/model is it? Wanna see pics!
andycerrone
Banned
It's a Caravelle by Don E. Getzen, made in Wisconsin. Right now it's in my trunk, which is at a mechanic for a tune up. I'll put some up when she comes home..
homestudioguy
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You might consider taking a large handkerchief and wrapping it through the crook of the tuning slides, have someone solidly hold the trumpet and give the large handkerchief a strong tug or 2 or 3 away from the trumpet.
If they don't pop out using this method then take it to a knowledgeable brass instrument repair person.
They'll probably use the same or similar method at first but at least if they break it it's their responsibility.
After you do get them out and you decide to keep the trumpet, keep the valves and tuning slides lubricated on a regular basis (and not like every 6-months either
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If I remember from my old Retail Days, the Caravelle was a mid-line horn, however, that was over 20-25 years ago.
If they don't pop out using this method then take it to a knowledgeable brass instrument repair person.
They'll probably use the same or similar method at first but at least if they break it it's their responsibility.
After you do get them out and you decide to keep the trumpet, keep the valves and tuning slides lubricated on a regular basis (and not like every 6-months either
)If I remember from my old Retail Days, the Caravelle was a mid-line horn, however, that was over 20-25 years ago.
andycerrone
Banned
Here she is. She's a looker...
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ignore the duct taped marching sticks in the corner.
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ignore the duct taped marching sticks in the corner.
andycerrone
Banned
You might consider taking a large handkerchief and wrapping it through the crook of the tuning slides, have someone solidly hold the trumpet and give the large handkerchief a strong tug or 2 or 3 away from the trumpet.
If they don't pop out using this method then take it to a knowledgeable brass instrument repair person.
They'll probably use the same or similar method at first but at least if they break it it's their responsibility.
After you do get them out and you decide to keep the trumpet, keep the valves and tuning slides lubricated on a regular basis (and not like every 6-months either
If I remember from my old Retail Days, the Caravelle was a mid-line horn, however, that was over 20-25 years ago.
Cool. Not bad for 25 bucks then, haha. It seems like it's a bit older, too, so it's probably from that time. The guy I bought it from said he got it from someone like, 10-15 years ago.
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dementedchord
Psychotic State alumni ch
when you clean it... lay the pistons out in order... they are NOT identicle... and need to be put back the same.... if you can get the slides to work alittle then put vaseline on them and work it back and forth... dont use oil on the slides... vaseline is the thing for them... i met getzen in '68 bought a trombone from him... his severnsen trumpets are top notch...
homestudioguy
Well-known member
A trombonist!
Cool.
I, too, have been called that very same name.
I have a Bach Stradivarius 42BLTG.
It's a big "honkin" horn but I needed a big one when I was doing symphonic and ensemble work in the '70's-'80's.
I just yesterday put up a photo on my website homepage of the primary brass quintet I worked with back then if you have time to take a look see.
homestudioguy
Well-known member
Great call demented!
A trombonist!?
Cool.
I, too, have been called that very same name.
I have a Bach Stradivarius 42BLTG.
It's a big "honkin" horn but I needed a big one when I was doing symphonic and ensemble work in the '70's-'80's.
I just yesterday put up a photo on my website homepage of the primary brass quintet I worked with back then if you have time to take a look see.
Andy!
After looking at the photos, I highly recommend you get a new mouthpiece.
Should be around $30-$40.
A lot of the plating has come off of the one you have and the chemicals that could leach off would not be good if unknowingly ingested.
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dementedchord
Psychotic State alumni ch
i played a 42 for years.... was a really special horn.... my teacher/mentor (principal of the st louis symphony ) actually tried to by it from me... was heavily into it till auto accident tore my lip/iron rod in my arm.... even designed my own mouthpiece custom cut by schilke gold plated still around here somewhere....
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andydeedpoll
i do love smilies...
the only other trombonist i've seen on this board! (i remember talking to homestudioguy about six months ago about trombones 
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i'm playing a Rath R3 - silver nickle bell and slide... possibly the most responsive a trombone can get before it starts preempting the notes you're going to play
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Andrew.
) i'm playing a Rath R3 - silver nickle bell and slide... possibly the most responsive a trombone can get before it starts preempting the notes you're going to play
. Andrew.
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dementedchord
Psychotic State alumni ch
not familiar with the rath... seems i kinda remember a bass bone player alan rath or was that raph???? hmmm is that a signature model of some sort or the manufacturer??? if it's a signature wonder ifr it was made by holten... they were the best bass bones when i was playing horn...
dgatwood
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the only other trombonist i've seen on this board! (i remember talking to homestudioguy about six months ago about trombones
I play trombone, too... and trumpet.
As for the original question, a trick I've used to get stuck mouthpieces out is to heat up the horn with warm water, then quickly switch to cold water. The change in temperature affects the two metals differently. Since the slide is probably entirely brass, that won't help as much, but even still, if you run cold water through the inside and warm (NOT HOT) water on the outside, you'll get a little bit of separation---possibly enough to break the bonds of oxidation that have cemented the inner and outer brass tubes together.
WARNING: DO NOT USE HOT WATER. Hot water weakens the lacquer on brass instruments.
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dgatwood
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Every valve I've seen is numbered either on the stem or somewhere on the valve, but I suppose there probably are some that aren't.
As for oil on the slides, it will work in a pinch. Just wipe it off with a cloth and put on something thicker when you get home from the gig, as oil makes tuning slides way too easy to bump and knock out of tune, and it also tends to dissipate too quickly.
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Harlequin Man
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i play a mean boner myself..
did a tour with these dudes.. www.myspace.com/endive
Play the Ska stuff!
did a tour with these dudes.. www.myspace.com/endive
Play the Ska stuff!
lbanks
Banned
Play 'bone a long time ago, haven't touched one the late '70s. I had an old King. (Or maybe a Conn... it was nothing special)
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andydeedpoll
i do love smilies...
http://www.rathtrombones.com/instruments/instruments.htm
they're quite small - still made by "michael rath" and one or two other people in a town called Huddersfield in North England. i know the majority of people on this site are from america, but i also know that after i'd ordered my instrument, he took ages putting it together because he was touring some shows in america, getting orders for instruments from there
they've just updated their website (i've only just noticed!) and they've got pictures of their mother-of-a-trombone, the Contra bass Andrew
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dementedchord
Psychotic State alumni ch
wow... if they sound like they look....
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andydeedpoll
i do love smilies...
they most certainly do
two "local trombonists" play them too - we play in a couple of groups together - orchestral and jazz. always sounds phenomenal Andrew.