Toying With The IDea of An Audio Resoration/Remastering Business

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I'm starting this thread to solicit insights, comments and thoughts on an idea that just hit me.

I seem to derive a certain amount of satisfaction and enjoyment out of cleaning up old recordings from cassette or vynil (been digging through my personal archives for practice). So, it just hit me, why not, after getting some more practice, gear up and start hiring myself out to do audio restoration/remastering.

I've been getting my feathers wet with Magix Audio Cleaning Lab (a good value for the money) and getting the essentials down, but at some point I'm going to need something even more powerful for audio cleaning/restoration (thinking about Sound Forge or Wave Lab but VERY open to suggestions).

I know I'll need a decent turntable, input pre-amp and cassette deck for the original sources plus some kind of cleaning device(s) for vynil.

Any suggestions for gear, software, pricing structures, marketing and such are GREATLY appreciated------------------------------
 
A fairly decent amount of my business is doing just what you describe. Let me pass along a couple of wrinkles to keep in mind when seeting yourself up.

1. Do not depend solely on plugins/cleaning apps as your tools; get plenty of practice using manual tricks and techniques with more conventional tools including - but not limited to - gates, EQ, dynamic expanders, reverbs, phase controllers and manual waveform editing. Practice not only to get good at the techniques, but - to keep your costs down - to get fast at them.
The reaoning behind this is that if you want to be successful at this, you have to not only do a better job than most automated cleaners can do because (as this board proves every day) anyone with a modem or a credit card can get the same NR packages as you have and do it themselves. You have to be able to show that you can do it better in order for them to be willing to hand over their wallet, and you have to be able to do it fast enough for you to be able to actually make money doing it (if you get get $20 for something that takes you 8 hours to do, you're making less than you would jerking sodas at McDonald's.)
Also, frankly, the automated tools just don't to a proessional job all by themselves. They may do a good enough job for some of your customers, but if you have a classic audiophile on the hook who wants you to restore and enhance his irreplacible vinyl collection, he is going to want and expect top-notch results.

2. Once you have the tools and techniques in place, *charge* for them. I mean, don't be afraid to tell folks your services are expensive. Of course your services have to be up to snuff first ;), but as long as you can put your money where your mouth is, speak up loudly.
A few reasons for this are: you have to seperate ourself from every joker and his brother out there who has a cracked copy of the Waves Restoration Pack and thinks that's good enough to hang out a shingle. There are almost as many of them giving us a bad name as there are college students with Cakewalk and a Blowfish compressor plugin that call themselves inexpensive "mastering engineers."
Also, even when you get fast and good at it, quality restoration and enhancement takes time and talent. You need to get paid for it, otherwise it's just not worth the effort.
Finally, the real market is the aformentioned audiophile who has vinyl or tape collections that they want converted in whole or in part (usually in part at a time.) These collections usually include hard- or impossible-to-replace recordings and are in part or in total worth a lot of money and sentiment to them. They are not only goingto want a truely professional job, but are going to be willing (or easily convinced) to accept that a professional job is not something that can be done on the cheap.

As far as gear goes, on the digital cleaning side I have Steinberg Clean, the Waves Restoration Pack and the Sonic Foundry Niose Reduction bundle. Clean is a stand-alone application. Waves and SFNR are plugs that I usually run through Sound Forge. Sound Forge is my personal editor of choice for mono and stereo wanveform editing and mixdown pre-mastering, but you can use whichever editor you're most comfortable with. I also have more processing plugins in the form of EQs, analyzers, companders, verbs, delays and kitchen sinks that I can count. Again, use the tools that fit your hands the best and learn how to properly use them as part of the restroation and enhancement processes.

On the analog side, you'll want good PLL direct drive turntable with a quality cartrige and stylus, and with manul speed override available and a quality tonearm balancing mechanism. A high-mass tonearm, while pretty much out-of-favor with audiophines, is not a bad idea because it can often track the stratches and warps a bit better. Though that is a more minor detail that you probably don't need to lose any sleep over.

You'll also sooner or later want a more average (most likely belt-drive) one that can playback 78RPM sides. You can start with the good one and get the other one when you're client needs demand it, but when you can det a servicable belt-drive turntable with a reversable 33/78 stylus for under a hundred bucks, it's not hard to add to the inventory list ;).

As far as a preamp for the turntable goes, any real good consumer preamp or integrated preamp will do a good enough job. It will be far from being the weak link in your signal chain for this kind of work as long as you don't skimp. It'd be nice to find an integrated preamp with dual phono inputs so you don't have to switch your turntables around, but that's a luxury that hard to find.

Oh, I almost forgot. Some nice quality pro analog gear in the form of tube compression, EQ, etc can put some nice final touches on your work, and for processing are often superior to all but the best digital plugs. I have not gone real expensive here (only because I can't afford to :p ), but a couple of real workhorse usints for me in this area are the ART PRO VLA tube compressor and the dbx2215 1/3rd octave graphic EQ with limiters. Not the greatest in studio gear, I'll be the first to admit, but I often use them to great effect in this area of engineering.

HTH,

G.
 
I think you might could make some money doing this...........the same idea has crossed my mind also...when my dad found out that old cassettes could be "turned" into CD's (and that I knew how to make it happen) he put me to work..........there are still some old wide-release recordings that have never been released in CD form and some people have "homerecorded/sentimental value type" stuff on cassette that they would like to get on a more permanent media. I have used mosty lo-end gear to transfer cassette to computer/CD (but the results have been decent) so I can't make any recommendations about higher-end gear or tranferring records to computer.
 
GLEN - Just wondering how you deal with copyright issues. I used to work for a company that does audio restoration/preservation. We had a guy come in who wanted us to transfer an old Leon Russell disc to CD, but we told him we couldn't do it without the copyright holder's permission. Sure enough, he got permission and we did the transfer, but I can imagine this can get sticky.
 
MadAudio said:
GLEN - Just wondering how you deal with copyright issues. I used to work for a company that does audio restoration/preservation. We had a guy come in who wanted us to transfer an old Leon Russell disc to CD, but we told him we couldn't do it without the copyright holder's permission. Sure enough, he got permission and we did the transfer, but I can imagine this can get sticky.
I've never had an issue with it, to be honest. I have big bold lettering in my work orders that states that this work is being done solely under the Fair Use laws as defined in the Sony and Diamond RIO court cases and solely for the private use of the client and that any further issues there may be with copyrights are the responsibility of the client (just as they were wth your example).

Perhaps even more to the point, it's a *lot* more expensive for someone to to come to me and have a vinyl album converted to CD for them than it is forthem to head out to their record store and buy a CD. The stuff I normally get is not of that nature, it is either stuff whose rights have expired, have gone to public domain years ago, or are private recordings that were either never copyrighted or the original property rights belonged to the current owner to begin with.

You bring up a good point; I do not recommend - and refuse to do myself - perfoming duplication and enhancement work of current commercial releases without proper legal permission.

I have, in fact, turned down probably 8 times more work than I have accepted for these very reasons. :rolleyes:

G.
 
Well, actually, I think you can, legally. I would think it probably works the same way for those who record vocals on karaoke discs and such.

It's for personal use, as a backup copy. This is a heavily disputed argument with copyrights (at least ripping CDs to computers, etc.). You should be allowed to have a backup copy of your music.

EDIT: Last post pretty much covered that! But I would agree, if it's still available commerically, don't waste your time.
 
Thanks guys!! Your comments have been EXTREMELY helpful!!
 
Alexbt said:
Well, actually, I think you can, legally. I would think it probably works the same way for those who record vocals on karaoke discs and such.

It's for personal use, as a backup copy. This is a heavily disputed argument with copyrights (at least ripping CDs to computers, etc.). You should be allowed to have a backup copy of your music.
It's not *quite* that simple...almost, but not quite. :)

Public places that showcase karaoke performances should properly be covered by the venue's ASCAP/BMI/etc. licensing terms (this is a standad entry on the ASCAP licensing form.) Recording of such performances is a bit of a gray area, as you say.

Private karaoke machines are covered in the fact that licensing fees are included in the cost of the karaoke music itself.

G.
 
I was not talking about publically.
I have heard many stories of people going to recording studios to record their vocals with karaoke CD backing tracks.

I was told by a friend that our local mall now has a booth that does this.
 
Alexbt said:
I was not talking about publically.
I have heard many stories of people going to recording studios to record their vocals with karaoke CD backing tracks.

I was told by a friend that our local mall now has a booth that does this.
You are right that there are studios that not only do this, but advertise this as one of their main functions. As to whether the studio pays for rights and bundles those costs into the cost to the client depends upon the studio. Some dot their "I"s and cross their "T"s in that regard, others don't.

The booths, I believe, have a rights agreement with the karaoke music suppliers and copyright owners (or are run by the owners themselves). But I couldn't legally go out and build my own karaoke kiosk using someone else's music (either the karaoke recordings or the copyrighted songs themself) without legal permission first.

G.
 
I'll say this about the rights thing in general.

I could make a comfortable living (OK, maybe that's an overreach. ;) ) just refurbing people's original vinyl copies of "Dark Side of the Moon". But I won't. I turn that stuff down faster than a proposal from an 17-yr-old. ;)

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
I'll say this about the rights thing in general.

I could make a comfortable living (OK, maybe that's an overreach. ;) ) just refurbing people's original vinyl copies of "Dark Side of the Moon". But I won't. I turn that stuff down faster than a proposal from an 17-yr-old. ;)

G.

A good point. I for one would flat out refuse to do a job on an album that is already available commercially in CD format. I would limit it to recordings that are out-of-print and cannot be obtained on CD with the provision that it is ONLY a backup copy for that one person and NEVER to be mass-produced without permission from the copyright owner..That too would have to be incorporated into the language of a work order.

Also, what would you advise as far as pricing, charging on a per-song basis, hourly or per album (unless I'm mistaken, vynil is a more involved process necessitating a slightly higher rate).
 
The Owl said:
Also, what would you advise as far as pricing, charging on a per-song basis, hourly or per album (unless I'm mistaken, vynil is a more involved process necessitating a slightly higher rate).
It depends on the project to a great degree. I don't charge based upon the medium. 78s vs. vinyl vs. tape really doesn't in and of itself matter. I could be given vinyl with just a smattering of clicks and pops which would be much easier to do than a 20-yr-old TDK D120 casette that's turned into rust on a reel. And vice versa.
I charge for the job, instead.

And that breaks one of two general ways. If someone gives me a stack of 78s or albums (or even one) in halfway decent condition, I'll give him a single bid for the whole job, with the undertstanding made beforehand that if I come across any out-of-the ordinary conditions that require extra treatment (e.g. skips or warps so bad that I have to wrestle with them just to keep them on the turntable, removal of wax from the record surface [that's mostly on 60s albums, though :D], etc.) that they have not told me about beforehand, that those will cost extra. The price I shoot depends on my best estimate of the condition of the recordings as a whole, and my best estimate of just how much time and work I will need to put into it.

If it's a single recording or song (or, in my last case, a meditation CD ;) ), I'll charge per minute of refurbed material, based upon it's condition. A typical charge here is usually somewhere around $5 per minute of material. In other words, at that rate a 3-minute song would cost $15 to refurb.

Aslo important to put on the paperwork (which they sign, especially on bigger projects) is an agreement that you will put forth your best effort, in the manner as explained to the customer, to produce the best restoration results you can, and that the customer understands, within reason, that the restoration will not necessarily be perfect.

Even more important than the writing though, is that you set the right expectations with the customer from the start. Know your talents and your limitations, feel the customer out as far as what you think they will expect, and then describe to them in few uncertain terms what they can expect. Be honest. Don't sell them the mooon if all you can fly is an airplane. On the other hand, if you are confident that you can make their patitient shine like a pimp's shoes, let them know that to, and let them know that's why you charge for your services.

The important thing is that the customer has to be happy with the results. He won't be happy with them if he was expecting more thn he got. Let him know there's no way you can make his V-Disk sound like a new CD. And if he wants more than you think you can safely promise, either tell him BEFORE YOU DO THE WORK you can make no guarantees and that it his gamble and not yours, or decline the job and explain why.

I have not had an unhappy customer in this area yet. Not because I have made everything sound like a shiny new silver dollar (though some I did), but because I explained beforehand that there's no way to make a copper penny look like a silver dollar. :)

G.
 
I'd highly recommend going in to Law if you want to make money.

Healthcare if you want job security.

Or anything music-related if you want to starve. :D
 
chessrock said:
Or anything music-related if you want to starve. :D

I don't starve. Of course, the first few years I would have had it not been for my wife. :)
 
None of us are livin' large, Cloneboy.

Except for those of us with Sugar Mamas.
 
chessrock said:
None of us are livin' large, Cloneboy.

Except for those of us with Sugar Mamas.

Depends on one's definition of livin' large. I'm looking at getting 2 U89's by the New Year. To me that's livin' large!
 
By my definition "livin' large" means you're studio is totally self-supported by the revenues it generates. And that you're able to make a comfortable and steady living that also affords you things like retirement savings and health insurance, based solely on profits from studio and/or other audio engineering-related services. And that it is able to provide for you as a sole source of income with no other outside help save for maybe comercial/bank loan. Any outside investors, or even roommates, Sugar Mamas, or just spouses / significant others who's income helps supplement living expenses ... does not count by my definition. :D

There are plenty of people livin' large on this board, I'm sure. But very few are doing so because of their audio careers. If you are, then congrats, but I still don't recommend it as a safe and boutiful career opportunity. That said, it can make for a very fun side business if it's something you greatly enjoy and can afford!
 
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