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chessrock
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You should have a listen to Spork's tune while you're at it.
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paddyponchero
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Hi Spork,
I would definitely try out the Mk-012 on vox, with two pop filters as I think Chessrock has recommended in the past. It should be a step up from the shures.
Padddy
I would definitely try out the Mk-012 on vox, with two pop filters as I think Chessrock has recommended in the past. It should be a step up from the shures.
Padddy
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Sporkmyband
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Thats for the Oktava Advice
However, it wasn't a shure on the vox. It was an NTK. Just doesn't work on the airy stuff. It is fine when I sing in a very un-natural low voice, but not on stuff sung the way I prefer. I am sorting through mics at the moment. The KSM44 has wetted my appetite as has the AT4047. Oh and an original AKGC12(that one is a joke).
However, it wasn't a shure on the vox. It was an NTK. Just doesn't work on the airy stuff. It is fine when I sing in a very un-natural low voice, but not on stuff sung the way I prefer. I am sorting through mics at the moment. The KSM44 has wetted my appetite as has the AT4047. Oh and an original AKGC12(that one is a joke).
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paddyponchero
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Sporkmyband said:
Sorry, don't know how I missed that - great song by the way
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hoth
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Fanfreakintastic track Spork. I'd be in for some more man so keep 'em coming. I like the voice doubling or slight detuning? Did you sing it twice or did you just delay those parts? Once you get this cleaned up (especially drums), you'll have a killer track.
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Sporkmyband
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Thanks alot Hoth
I am thrilled that you enjoyed my track Hoth and thanks paddyponchero too. It means alot. The vox are definately doubled in some spots. There isn't any detuning. I did use light auto-tune on both of the main vocal tracks to make things mesh together more tightly. However, autotune and I do not get along very well sometimes, because I tend to sing alot of blue notes. Not just an excuse to not sing on pitch, but I am better off without it sometimes. There are three tracks of vox on the 2nd Bridge (right before 2nd full chorus). It is just a lower vocal part (which sounds better on the NTK anyhow). I wanted to share something about the drums. I am not really a drummer, so it took me a few tries to get the parts figured out and played well enough to mesh with the programmed beats that come in occasionally. One of the big problems with the keeper drum track, was that, for some reason only known to God, I moved the SM57 to the bottom of the snare assuming that I was playing loud enough to hear the snare in the overheads and get some pop from the bottom. Well, I was wrong. Unfortunately, I did a really good job of positioning the OH for the first time in my life to pick up mostly cymbals, and the snare track sounded like SHIT! So I didn't have the confidence to put it out from the way it should be. However, since the drums are a compilation track and I have all of the original tracks, I have several places in the song where the SM57 was on top on some of the keepers. I am basically going to sample my good sounding snare and drumagog it and maybe some other snare samples and put them in place to give the track more power. PLUS, redoing the vox when I get a mic that gets along with me. Currently looking at the KSM44. Looks nice and sturdy, with lots of patterns. I'm pretty shure (i couldn't resist) a neutral sounding mic would be good for me without really hyped highs. Again, back to Chess's golden tracks, he has a meaty midrange. It just sounds expensive without trying to sound expensive with a false top and bottom. Thanks you all.
I am thrilled that you enjoyed my track Hoth and thanks paddyponchero too. It means alot. The vox are definately doubled in some spots. There isn't any detuning. I did use light auto-tune on both of the main vocal tracks to make things mesh together more tightly. However, autotune and I do not get along very well sometimes, because I tend to sing alot of blue notes. Not just an excuse to not sing on pitch, but I am better off without it sometimes. There are three tracks of vox on the 2nd Bridge (right before 2nd full chorus). It is just a lower vocal part (which sounds better on the NTK anyhow). I wanted to share something about the drums. I am not really a drummer, so it took me a few tries to get the parts figured out and played well enough to mesh with the programmed beats that come in occasionally. One of the big problems with the keeper drum track, was that, for some reason only known to God, I moved the SM57 to the bottom of the snare assuming that I was playing loud enough to hear the snare in the overheads and get some pop from the bottom. Well, I was wrong. Unfortunately, I did a really good job of positioning the OH for the first time in my life to pick up mostly cymbals, and the snare track sounded like SHIT! So I didn't have the confidence to put it out from the way it should be. However, since the drums are a compilation track and I have all of the original tracks, I have several places in the song where the SM57 was on top on some of the keepers. I am basically going to sample my good sounding snare and drumagog it and maybe some other snare samples and put them in place to give the track more power. PLUS, redoing the vox when I get a mic that gets along with me. Currently looking at the KSM44. Looks nice and sturdy, with lots of patterns. I'm pretty shure (i couldn't resist) a neutral sounding mic would be good for me without really hyped highs. Again, back to Chess's golden tracks, he has a meaty midrange. It just sounds expensive without trying to sound expensive with a false top and bottom.
Thanks you all.
PhilGood
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Well, I got to listen to all tracks (including your's, oh Sporkyness!) and I think the production is first-rate, top-shelf, top-notch on all counts!! Back patting may begin franticly to all parties invloved! Nice textures and balances! Very full!
sweetnubs
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Listen up folks to chessnubs comment about him using the higher end studio with better gear and the end product not sounding good as in his more modest studio. If y'all have your nubs on today that is most likely due to the fact that chessnubs knows his room. When I do freelance work out of my studio at places I'm less familiar with I have a more difficult time getting sounds I like. This is because I know my rooms extremely well for both tracking and mixing. I know how reflections and phase problems occur within my rooms. I know exactly where to place an acoustic guitar for more high end, low end or a more even balance. I know where to set up drums. I put smaller kits in a different part of the studio than larger kits. I know where my room mics sound the best. I know where to stand in different parts of the studio when trying to listen for balance in my mixes. I know if i go out into tracking room A and stand in the corner by the line amps with the control room door slightly ajar and listen to the mix at roughly 40db I can tell if the bass is too loud or quiet. I know if I put a mic out in the lounge with the large tracking room's door open I get sweet natural slapback. I know how a bass amp sounds in different parts of my various tracking rooms, etc. etc. Listen up folks, good engineers who have been working in the same studio for long periods of time have gathered much more information about their environment that the 1 year home recorder has gathered. Screw you bastards for the demise of tape! Like the phoenix analog will once again rise from the ashes! (well hopefully anyway . . . )
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acorec
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Well, I think you have gained much experience as the track sounds very good (even on my small computer speakers). You have a future son.
I guess you don't need any more rep points. You can sprinkle them around to the less fortunate. Keep up the good work and up the studio charges.
I guess you don't need any more rep points. You can sprinkle them around to the less fortunate. Keep up the good work and up the studio charges.
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chessrock
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Good points you make Sweetnubs.
When I say I've been disappointed at times when freelancing at studios I'm less familiar with ... what's happening is that my familiarity and comfort level with the environment (or lack of familiarity/comfort) are all much bigger factors in the quality of the final result than what's available in their microphone cabinet, the design of the rooms or what kind of rack gear they have.
Nothing wrong at all tracking with the very best stuff you can get your hands on. But overall, the gear factor is over-rated.
Another case in point: Most of the positive comments I'm getting in this thread are for stuff I did 2 1/2 to 3 years ago. My gear, at the time, was very much on the lower end of the scale compared to what I'm working with now. But the Sporkmeister happened to stumble accross a talented band I worked with, and that's what he heard in the recording -- a talented band with quality instruments. He didn't hear the ART Tube MP I plugged their bass in to ... didn't even hear some of the $100 / channel mic pres that were used.
When I say I've been disappointed at times when freelancing at studios I'm less familiar with ... what's happening is that my familiarity and comfort level with the environment (or lack of familiarity/comfort) are all much bigger factors in the quality of the final result than what's available in their microphone cabinet, the design of the rooms or what kind of rack gear they have.
Nothing wrong at all tracking with the very best stuff you can get your hands on. But overall, the gear factor is over-rated.
Another case in point: Most of the positive comments I'm getting in this thread are for stuff I did 2 1/2 to 3 years ago. My gear, at the time, was very much on the lower end of the scale compared to what I'm working with now. But the Sporkmeister happened to stumble accross a talented band I worked with, and that's what he heard in the recording -- a talented band with quality instruments. He didn't hear the ART Tube MP I plugged their bass in to ... didn't even hear some of the $100 / channel mic pres that were used.
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sweetnubs
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good musicians with good sound are the engineers secret weapons. Our only job at the point is to not make it sound worse then take the credit.